Right and wrong were never opposites and wrong was a way to get things right.

08-21-2002, 08:29 PM

Not sure which email got me to right (oops)
this today, it must have been on HS

The
words “right, wrong and sin”
....
original meanings...
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The
Sanskrit roots RAG, WAR and AS.

The English word “wrong” derives originally
from the Aryan root WAR (whirling, winding, turning or twisting). In old
English “wrong” used to be the past tense or past
participle of the verb “to wring”.
Wrong and wringing come to us via the Sanskrit word VRIJ (pronounce vrizj),
which had to do with wringing clothes from excess washing water or dye by
twisting it with a torque-like movement. The result was that as fabric or
garments got pulled out of shape, they became “wrong”. The rightness or
straightness was still there, but hidden in the garment. The act of “righting”
(Aryan root RAG) would pull the “wrong” straight again.

So, wrong is a form of right, just messed
up and rectifiable.
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That the words right and wrong have
opposite meanings is a quite recent development: AD 1500. They were used as
translations of the Latin words “rectus” and “sinister’ which mean right and
left-handed. The scholastic and ecclesiastic use of these words by means of
sermons on bible texts affected these words’ meaning in a moralistic way...

Interesting that sinister would mean the
left hand.
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Sinister is of course Latin and quite
likely comes from “sine” meaning “without, short of or taken away”, sin or
debt. The Aryan root AS from which “sin” derives means “leave behind, throw
away or reject”.
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What does the word sinister have to do
with bean counter, intelligence and accounting?

“Intel*lig*ence” as well as “legend,
legible, legislate and law (French lire - to read; loi - law) all derive from
the Sanskrit root RAG (LAG) “row, rule(r),
string”.
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A string or a wire was used to collect
beans, seeds or small stones, like a mala or rosary. This eventually led to the
calculus and eventually the calculator. Anyway, an “accountant” while “counting
beans” used the sinister or left hand to swipe beans away, to take them away.
It was the negative hand, creating debt or “sin”.
When Jesus talked about forgiving debt or
sin, he meant “forgive that what we are short of” or “what has been taken away
from us by sinister forces”.

Of course in the past (as it is still in
India) the left hand was used to do “nothing” with
but… “wiping your behind”.

The word “right” derives from the Sanskrit
root RAG (LAG) “row, order, rule(r) or string”. Law and order (legal matter)
stem from it, to straighten things out, to make right.

“Make straight the way of the Lord” can
actually be translated as, “Rightness is the Law of the Virtuous” (Dao De
Jing).
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08-22-2002, 12:06 AM

Nice

In Norwegian "Vrang" means either something turned inside out or about a difficult person.
The way it is used is : 'he turned himself wrong', telling why it did not work out.

Is it the verb 'vrijen' in dutch?

Alan
----- Original Message -----
From: Wim
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Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 5:29 AM
Subject: [HarshaSatsangh] Right and wrong were never opposites and
wrong was a way to get things right.
Not sure which email got me to right (oops) this today, it must have been on HS

The words “right, wrong and sin”
.... original meanings...

The Sanskrit roots RAG, WAR and AS.

The English word “wrong” derives originally from the Aryan root WAR
(whirling, winding, turning or twisting). In old English “wrong” used
to be the past tense or past participle of the verb “to wring”. Wrong
and wringing come to us via the Sanskrit word VRIJ (pronounce vrizj),
which had to do with wringing clothes from excess washing water or dye
by twisting it with a torque-like movement. The result was that as
fabric or garments got pulled out of shape, they became “wrong”. The
rightness or straightness was still there, but hidden in the garment.
The act of “righting” (Aryan root RAG) would pull the “wrong” straight
again.

So, wrong is a form of right, just messed up and rectifiable.

That the words right and wrong have opposite meanings is a quite
recent development: AD 1500. They were used as translations of the
Latin words “rectus” and “sinister’ which mean right and left-handed.
The scholastic and ecclesiastic use of these words by means of sermons
on bible texts affected these words’ meaning in a moralistic way...

Interesting that sinister would mean the left hand.

Sinister is of course Latin and quite likely comes from “sine” meaning
“without, short of or taken away”, sin or debt. The Aryan root AS from
which “sin” derives means “leave behind, throw away or reject”.

What does the word sinister have to do with bean counter, intelligence and accounting?

“Intel*lig*ence” as well as “legend, legible, legislate and law
(French lire - to read; loi - law) all derive from the Sanskrit root
RAG (LAG) “row, rule(r), string”.
A string or a wire was used to collect beans, seeds or small stones,
like a mala or rosary. This eventually led to the calculus and
eventually the calculator. Anyway, an “accountant” while “counting
beans” used the sinister or left hand to swipe beans away, to take
them away. It was the negative hand, creating debt or “sin”.
When Jesus talked about forgiving debt or sin, he meant “forgive that
what we are short of” or “what has been taken away from us by
sinister forces”.

Of course in the past (as it is still in India) the left hand was used
to do “nothing” with but… “wiping your behind”.

The word “right” derives from the Sanskrit root RAG (LAG) “row, order,
rule(r) or string”. Law and order (legal matter) stem from it, to
straighten things out, to make right.

“Make straight the way of the Lord” can actually be translated as,
“Rightness is the Law of the Virtuous” (Dao De Jing).
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Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It
is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the
Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of
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08-22-2002, 12:24 AM

Hi Alan

“Vrijen” (probably
from priapus, god of love) actually means “cuddling” in Dutch, blissful mutual bodily
entanglement :-)))).
But we
have “wrang” which is the distorted face you pull when you taste something
bitter, or how you feel when someone has left you with uneasy feelings, same as
in Norwegian.

Neat stuff
this, but it may not be everybody’s cup of tea… However, language and
especially etymology tells us so much about how we still are…

Wim

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From: Al Larus
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Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002
12:06 AM
To: HarshaSatsangh (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Subject: Re: [HarshaSatsangh]
Right and wrong were never opposites and wrong was a way to get things right.
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Nice

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">In Norwegian "Vrang" means
either something turned inside out or about a difficult person.
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">The way it is used is : 'he turned
himself wrong', telling why it did not work out.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Is it the verb 'vrijen' in dutch?

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Alan
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08-22-2002, 12:35 AM

As far as i can see everyone's a heavy drinker here.

Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: Wim Borsboom
To: harshasatsangh (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:24 AM
Subject: RE: [HarshaSatsangh] Right and wrong were never opposites and
wrong was a way to get things right.
Hi Alan

“Vrijen” (probably from priapus, god of love) actually means
“cuddling” in Dutch, blissful mutual bodily entanglement :-)))).
But we have “wrang” which is the distorted face you pull when you
taste something bitter, or how you feel when someone has left you
with uneasy feelings, same as in Norwegian.

Neat stuff this, but it may not be everybody’s cup of tea… However,
language and especially etymology tells us so much about how we still
are…

Wim

-----Original Message-----From: Al Larus
[mailto:alarus (AT) online (DOT) no]Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:06 AMTo:
HarshaSatsangh (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) comSubject: Re: [HarshaSatsangh] Right and
wrong were never opposites and wrong was a way to get things right.

Nice

In Norwegian "Vrang" means either something turned inside out or about a difficult person.
The way it is used is : 'he turned himself wrong', telling why it did not work out.

Is it the verb 'vrijen' in dutch?

Alan http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Harsha...HarshaSatsangh
Magazine and Website is athttp://www.harshasatsangh.comAll paths go
somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,
and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back
into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than
the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of
Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It
is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the
Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of
Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.
Welcome all to HarshaSatsangha.Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject
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08-22-2002, 02:18 PM

----- Original Message -----
From: Al Larus
To: HarshaSatsangh (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:35 AM
Subject: Re: [HarshaSatsangh] Right and wrong were never opposites and
wrong was a way to get things right.
As far as i can see everyone's a heavy drinker here.

Alan

Hafiz apparently agrees with you!
Glo
WHAT SHOULD WE DO ABOUT THAT MOON? A wine bottle fell from a wagon
andbroke open in a field. That night one hundred beetles and all
their cousinsGathered and did some serious binge drinking. They
even found some seed husks nearbyand began to play them like drums
and whirl.This made God very happy. Then the "night candle" rose into
the skyand one drunk creature, laying down his instrument,said to his
friend ~ for no apparentReason, "What should we do about that moon?"
Seems to HafizMost everyone has laid aside the music Tackling such
profoundly uselessQuestions.
("The Gift" -- versions of Hafiz by Daniel Ladinsky)