Samadhi (was: Reincarnation)

Dear Jan,

I appreciate your point that sometimes musicians play in a kind of trance
state, and that to continue it some of them may seek substitutes. This is a
very correct and true analysis.

Only I don't think that that trance state has anything to do with Savikalpa
Samadhi. It is a much, much lower state - a state that is obviously
dependent on the senses as well as on ego, manas, and buddhi. A state, also,
that leaves one frustrated once one comes out of it. And, as you are saying
yourself, God has nothing to do with it.

If this were samadhi, I for one wouldn't want it.

Best wishes,

Michael

On 12/10/01 at 12:29 PM MikeSuesserott@... wrote:

ºDear Jan,
º
ºI appreciate your point that sometimes musicians play in a kind of trance
ºstate, and that to continue it some of them may seek substitutes. This is a
ºvery correct and true analysis.

Oh - apparently, you're not familiar with deep states of absorption,
where no sense of time, self, world do exist. This happens to many artists but
they are not aware of it, don't have the knowledge. And it can happen to
scientists too, like for instance Einstein.
º
ºOnly I don't think that that trance state has anything to do with Savikalpa
ºSamadhi. It is a much, much lower state - a state that is obviously
ºdependent on the senses as well as on ego, manas, and buddhi. A state,
ºalso,
ºthat leaves one frustrated once one comes out of it. And, as you are saying
ºyourself, God has nothing to do with it.

(II,42) It is Sawitarka Samadhi, illumination with sentiment, when mind is
still muddled with doubt as to word and its meaning.

How come that yogis, although 100% dependent on mind and body,
yet use terminology like higher/lower? In that kind of classification, what
would
be termed the life of a householder, compared to that of a contemplative?
º
ºIf this were samadhi, I for one wouldn't want it.

Most likely then, you wouldn't want Shakti firing up every cell of the mind-body
either, as
it will burn out all opinions into mootness irrespective of like/dislike,
higher/lower.
Perhaps a good idea, praying to remain exempted from what certainly would be
classified as "the ultimate ordeal".

Cheers,
Jan
º
ºBest wishes,
º
ºMichael