Reincarnation (was: God Bless America)

Dear Jan,

are you seriously suggesting that these musicians were in samadhi, and that
coming out of this experience was inducing them to take drugs?

Jan, I am just a little devotee, but having felt even a tiny amount of the
love of God in meditation I can tell you truthfully that coming out of that
state one doesn't feel the least bit frustrated. Rather, the heart sings
with joy as one goes about ones daily duties.

How much more would this be true for those who have reached even the lower
states of samadhi, where heart and breath stop completely and the yogi is
locked in the blissful union with the Divine.

It is true that sometimes people go after fake joys like drugs and wine out
of frustration with this dreary earthly existence, and we can sympathize
with them, and should try to help them as best we can. But their state is as
different from samadhi as night and day.

Warmly,

Michael


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Patanjali describes all possible samadhis and many of them are "waking"
types:
they happen while absorbed in 'work'. This can be extremely blissful so when
coming out of it, that feels terrible, and without proper knowledge, that
could
lead to the use of drugs, eating disorders, booze, just to fill the void....
Not a surprise at all - what is sad is that the mechanism
isn't recognized, even by those, supposedly 'realized' yogis.

Peace,
Jan

On 12/9/01 at 9:34 PM MikeSuesserott@... wrote:

ºDear Jan,
º
ºare you seriously suggesting that these musicians were in samadhi, and that
ºcoming out of this experience was inducing them to take drugs?

There are many types of savikalpa samadhi and any artist
has to be familiar with at least a few of them
The want to continue the experience without "the effort"
is what leads to seeking substitutes - not necessarily drugs.
º
ºJan, I am just a little devotee, but having felt even a tiny amount of the
ºlove of God in meditation I can tell you truthfully that coming out of that
ºstate one doesn't feel the least bit frustrated. Rather, the heart sings
ºwith joy as one goes about ones daily duties.

Some musicians are playing in a kind of trance state - one of the many types
of savikalpa samadhi. God has nothing to do with that - those states of mind
were known before the term "samadhi" was coined for them.
º
ºHow much more would this be true for those who have reached even the lower
ºstates of samadhi, where heart and breath stop completely and the yogi is
ºlocked in the blissful union with the Divine.

For a musician, breathing and heart will continue to function.
Every samadhi has a beginning hence an end so not something
to be looked for. Not without reason, the Buddha warned against
it and he must have been aware of the fact that walking samadhis
are much more intense then the "world-excluded" types as also
the side-effects can be rather spectacular. Something i know too.
º
ºIt is true that sometimes people go after fake joys like drugs and wine out
ºof frustration with this dreary earthly existence, and we can sympathize
ºwith them, and should try to help them as best we can. But their state is
ºas
ºdifferent from samadhi as night and day.

Savikalpa samadhis are not at all an exclusivity of yoga but, au contraire,
rather ordinary experiences of onepointedness, concentration, simultaneously
forgetting "i and you", the world, everything to the exclusion of "the act of
performing". And Purohit Swami, in his comments on the Patanjali Sutras (IV),
mentions the use of certain herbal preparations to awaken spiritual powers.
The use of peyote in Mexico, every continent has its recipes. From there to
drugs is a matter of market economy.

Peace,
Jan
º
ºWarmly,
º
ºMichael
º
º
º-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
ºVon: jb [mailto:kvy9@...]
ºGesendet: Sunday, December 09, 2001 15:24
ºAn: HarshaSatsangh (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
ºBetreff: Re: [HarshaSatsangh] Reincarnation (was: God Bless America)
º
º
º
º
ºPatanjali describes all possible samadhis and many of them are "waking"
ºtypes:
ºthey happen while absorbed in 'work'. This can be extremely blissful so
ºwhen
ºcoming out of it, that feels terrible, and without proper knowledge, that
ºcould
ºlead to the use of drugs, eating disorders, booze, just to fill the
ºvoid....
ºNot a surprise at all - what is sad is that the mechanism
ºisn't recognized, even by those, supposedly 'realized' yogis.
º
ºPeace,
ºJan
º
º
º
ºhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/HarshaSatsangh/join
º
ºHarshaSatsangh Magazine and Website is at
º
ºhttp://www.harshasatsangh.com
º
ºAll paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,
ºperceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and
ºsubside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not
ºdifferent than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the
ºnature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present.
ºIt is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the
ºFinality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of
ºSelf-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome
ºall to HarshaSatsangha.
º
º
º
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On 12/9/01 at 9:34 PM MikeSuesserott@... wrote:

ºDear Jan,
º
ºare you seriously suggesting that these musicians were in samadhi, and that
ºcoming out of this experience was inducing them to take drugs?

There are many types of savikalpa samadhi and any artist
has to be familiar with at least a few of them
The want to continue the experience without "the effort"
is what leads to seeking substitutes - not necessarily drugs.
º
ºJan, I am just a little devotee, but having felt even a tiny amount of the
ºlove of God in meditation I can tell you truthfully that coming out of that
ºstate one doesn't feel the least bit frustrated. Rather, the heart sings
ºwith joy as one goes about ones daily duties.

Some musicians are playing in a kind of trance state - one of the many types
of savikalpa samadhi. God has nothing to do with that - those states of mind
were known before the term "samadhi" was coined for them.
º
ºHow much more would this be true for those who have reached even the lower
ºstates of samadhi, where heart and breath stop completely and the yogi is
ºlocked in the blissful union with the Divine.

For a musician, breathing and heart will continue to function.
Every samadhi has a beginning hence an end so not something
to be looked for. Not without reason, the Buddha warned against
it and he must have been aware of the fact that walking samadhis
are much more intense then the "world-excluded" types as also
the side-effects can be rather spectacular. Something i know too.
º
ºIt is true that sometimes people go after fake joys like drugs and wine out
ºof frustration with this dreary earthly existence, and we can sympathize
ºwith them, and should try to help them as best we can. But their state is
ºas
ºdifferent from samadhi as night and day.

Savikalpa samadhis are not at all an exclusivity of yoga but, au contraire,
rather ordinary experiences of onepointedness, concentration, simultaneously
forgetting "i and you", the world, everything to the exclusion of "the act of
performing". And Purohit Swami, in his comments on the Patanjali Sutras (IV),
mentions the use of certain herbal preparations to awaken spiritual powers.
The use of peyote in Mexico, every continent has its recipes. From there to
drugs is a matter of market economy.

Peace,
Jan
º
ºWarmly,
º
ºMichael
º
º
º-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
ºVon: jb [mailto:kvy9@...]
ºGesendet: Sunday, December 09, 2001 15:24
ºAn: HarshaSatsangh (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
ºBetreff: Re: [HarshaSatsangh] Reincarnation (was: God Bless America)
º
º
º
º
ºPatanjali describes all possible samadhis and many of them are "waking"
ºtypes:
ºthey happen while absorbed in 'work'. This can be extremely blissful so
ºwhen
ºcoming out of it, that feels terrible, and without proper knowledge, that
ºcould
ºlead to the use of drugs, eating disorders, booze, just to fill the
ºvoid....
ºNot a surprise at all - what is sad is that the mechanism
ºisn't recognized, even by those, supposedly 'realized' yogis.
º
ºPeace,
ºJan
º
º
º
ºhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/HarshaSatsangh/join
º
ºHarshaSatsangh Magazine and Website is at
º
ºhttp://www.harshasatsangh.com
º
ºAll paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,
ºperceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and
ºsubside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not
ºdifferent than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the
ºnature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present.
ºIt is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the
ºFinality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of
ºSelf-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome
ºall to HarshaSatsangha.
º
º
º
ºYour use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/