David/Smadhi/ Drugs/Was Reincarnation

-----Original Message-----
From: david bozzi [mailto:david.bozzi@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 8:20 PM
To: HarshaSatsangh (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
Subject: [HarshaSatsangh] Re: Mie/Smadhi/ Drugs/Was Reincarnation

--- In HarshaSatsangh@y..., "Harsha" wrote:

> A person who already knows the deepest truth will not be attracted
> to drugs and alcohol to change his state of awareness, as there
> would be nothing to change.

Dear Harsha,

This may or may not be so.
Only the One who knows the deepest truth could know.

Everyone I have ever met who claims to know the deepest truth
has turned out to be a heratic.

Who here knows the deepest truth?

David
(does your your condition, Harsha, also apply to
drugs like 'prozac'?)
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Thank you for your point David. Yes, I can see how everyone you meet who
claims to know the deepest truth may be heretic. I am very sorry about that
and wish you well brother.

Regarding the other point, it makes sense to use drugs and medications aimed
at lessening the effect of an illness or disease (physical or mental) or for
curing it. I have always felt that the use of common sense in these matters
is crucial.

My comment was aimed at mind altering drugs which can have unpredictable and
harmful consequences for many people and can also trigger the Kundalini
prematurely, leading to a variety of potentially serious problems. Having
been influenced by classical yogic traditions since childhood, and having
seen the destruction drugs and alcohol can cause in the lives of people, it
does not make much sense to me to make use of them. That is simply my
personal view.

Gloria once posted a verse from T.S. Elliot. It said that in the end you
will see the beginning but as if with new eyes. The Truth of Being resides
in our "ordinary" consciousness. But we are seeking something extraordinary
and special. What does years of deep meditation leading to Nirvikalpa
Samadhi do? It only show you who you are even now. What we consider our
ordinary consciousness and treat carelessly is indeed most precious.
Underlying all experiences, spiritual or other wise, is only consciousness.
To call it ordinary does not detract from it. To call it extraordinary does
not add to it.

Here is a quote from Sri Ramana that illustrates this point.

"What is Self-Realisation?
A mere phrase.
People expect some miracle to happen,
something to drop from Heaven in a flash.
It is nothing of the sort.
Only the notion that you are the body,
that you are this or that, will go,
and you remain as you are.
Indeed, Realisation is but another name
for the Self."

(Sri Ramana in: G.V. Subbaramayya: Sri Ramana Reminiscences, p. 138)

Lots of love David and love to all
Harsha

--- In HarshaSatsangh@y..., "Harsha" wrote:

> Thank you for your point David. Yes, I can see how everyone you
> meet who claims to know the deepest truth may be heretic. I am very
> sorry about that and wish you well brother.

I wasn't looking for an apology. Well, now I have one;
anybody want an apology?

> Regarding the other point, it makes sense to use drugs and
medications aimed
> at lessening the effect of an illness or disease (physical or
mental) or for
> curing it. I have always felt that the use of common sense in these
matters
> is crucial.

Ok.

My personal view is that many people live their lives
or parts of their lives using drugs like alcohol, pot or
prozac in similar fasion and the fact that one is made
by 'Bristol-Myers' (or whoever) and comes with a magical
cerificate known as a 'prescription' administered by one
who 'knows', is a superficial, cosmetic difference and the
bias that people have regarding one or the other are
conditionings that might warrant some exploration. I am
aware of many people that use pot, prozac, alcohol in an
effective (more or less) manner to lesson the effects of
'illness' or 'disease'. I aware of many who use prozac,
pot or alcohol in a destructive manner as well.

> My comment was aimed at mind altering drugs which can have
unpredictable and
> harmful consequences for many people and can also trigger the
Kundalini
> prematurely, leading to a variety of potentially serious problems.
Having
> been influenced by classical yogic traditions since childhood, and
having
> seen the destruction drugs and alcohol can cause in the lives of
people, it
> does not make much sense to me to make use of them. That is simply
my
> personal view.

Well I agree with your personal view. I would include drugs
like prozac in your personal assessment. I would also add
that I am aware of entheogens, pot & SSRIs being used in
a responsible and healing manner.

> Gloria once posted a verse from T.S. Elliot. It said that in the
end you
> will see the beginning but as if with new eyes. The Truth of Being
resides
> in our "ordinary" consciousness. But we are seeking something
extraordinary
> and special.

The extraordinary is hidden in the ordinary.

> What does years of deep meditation leading to
Nirvikalpa
> Samadhi do? It only show you who you are even now. What we consider
our
> ordinary consciousness and treat carelessly is indeed most precious.

Years of meditation are not required.
(I am not implying that you disagree)


> Underlying all experiences, spiritual or other wise, is only
> consciousness. To call it ordinary does not detract from it. To
call
> it extraordinary does not add to it.

Well said.
I prefer not to call it anything.

David