truths? are they necessary

08-24-2001, 09:05 AM

That that is all that really matters, that enlightenment does not
matter, that paths do not matter, that teachings do not matter, that
ideas do not matter, that perceptions do not matter....
That all that matters is that I look to the sun and say "what a
wonderful day it is" and feel the love, be the love, be loved, be
love, be..............
This is all I am....
and no more truths are needed........ they do not matter...... we cant change truth.
Lynette
Lovers embrace within the fold of glorious union,
dissolve into my eyes of nothing beyond
I am.

08-24-2001, 10:44 AM

Isn't this the stage of "nothing to do" and "no effort" or even,
"Trust in the Lord, and do what you want"? I think it's the final
station on the Last Trip Line. All aboard!
yours in the bonds,
eric

08-24-2001, 01:15 PM

--- In HarshaSatsangh@y..., JustLynette@a... wrote:
> Do we reach a point, when truth does not really even matter????
lol... when
> we reach a point in our search for ourselves that we realize that it
doesnt
> really matter what we believed, what we now believe, and what we
believe in
> the future...Neither does it matter what someone else believed, or
believes,
> or will believe in the future.... That all that really matters is to
love,
> be loved, be love, be....
>
> That that is all that really matters, that enlightenment does not
matter,
> that paths do not matter, that teachings do not matter, that ideas
do not
> matter, that perceptions do not matter....
>
> That all that matters is that I look to the sun and say "what a
wonderful day
> it is" and feel the love, be the love, be loved, be love,
be..............
>
> This is all I am....
>
> and no more truths are needed........ they do not matter...... we
cant change
> truth.
>
> Lynette

Namaste Lynette,

We cannot change the truth only realise it. Love is hard to define.

When Jesus was asked by Pilate, 'What is truth', his answer was no
response. In other words Silence which is Nirguna, above any emotion
such as love even........ONS......Tony.

08-24-2001, 06:35 PM

--- In HarshaSatsangh@y..., JustLynette@a... wrote:
> Do we reach a point, when truth does not really even matter????
lol... when
> we reach a point in our search for ourselves that we realize that
it doesnt
> really matter what we believed, what we now believe, and what we
believe in
> the future...Neither does it matter what someone else believed, or
believes,
> or will believe in the future.... That all that really matters is
to love,
> be loved, be love, be....
>
> That that is all that really matters, that enlightenment does not
matter,
> that paths do not matter, that teachings do not matter, that ideas
do not
> matter, that perceptions do not matter....
>
> That all that matters is that I look to the sun and say "what a
wonderful day
> it is" and feel the love, be the love, be loved, be love,
be..............
>
> This is all I am....
>
> and no more truths are needed........ they do not matter...... we
cant change
> truth.
>
> Lynette
>
> Lovers embrace within the fold of glorious union,
> dissolve into my eyes of nothing beyond
> I am.

Lynette,
Living in the moment is realy all that matters. So the search for
truth can be fulfilling for your spiritual growth, but you are right.
The only thing that truly matters in this life is loving and being
loved, and just being. Tomorrow is gone, and who can say if we have
tomorrow? So be the best you can be in this moment, love in this
moment, and be loved in this moment, and just be.

your sis,
Jen

08-25-2001, 12:29 AM

Hi Lynette,

>Do we reach a point, when truth does not really even matter???? lol...
>when we reach a point in our search for ourselves that we realize that it
>doesnt really matter what we believed, what we now believe, and what we
>believe in the future...Neither does it matter what someone else
>believed, or believes, or will believe in the future....

Your subject line asks about "truths," plural. There's a big difference
between the many truths and the Truth. But you seem to be talking about
beliefs, which is not the same as Truth or truths.

Your last line seems to say it: "no more truths are needed........ they do
not matter...... we cant change truth." So I'm not sure whether you were
really asking a question or writing a sort of poem, working up to the final
line.

)

>That all that really matters is to love, be loved, be love, be.... That
>that is all that really matters, that enlightenment does not matter, that
>paths do not matter, that teachings do not matter, that ideas do not
>matter, that perceptions do not matter.... That all that matters is that
>I look to the sun and say "what a wonderful day it is" and feel the love,
>be the love, be loved, be love, >snip<

Truth and Love are not at war with one another, they are the same. Become
the Truth, and you will be Love. Become Love, and you will be the Truth.

Love,
Dharma

08-25-2001, 12:47 AM

Dear Dharma,

If I remember well, Lynette's subject line was "truths??", note her question
marks. It seems to me that she is very aware of Truth..., just helping us
thinking through this "truths / beliefs confusion" a bit.

Lovingly, Wim

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From: Dharma [mailto:deva@...]
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Subject: Re: [HarshaSatsangh] truths? are they necessary

Hi Lynette,

>Do we reach a point, when truth does not really even matter???? lol...
>when we reach a point in our search for ourselves that we realize that it
>doesnt really matter what we believed, what we now believe, and what we
>believe in the future...Neither does it matter what someone else
>believed, or believes, or will believe in the future....

Your subject line asks about "truths," plural. There's a big difference
between the many truths and the Truth. But you seem to be talking about
beliefs, which is not the same as Truth or truths.

Your last line seems to say it: "no more truths are needed........ they do
not matter...... we cant change truth." So I'm not sure whether you were
really asking a question or writing a sort of poem, working up to the final
line.

)

>That all that really matters is to love, be loved, be love, be.... That
>that is all that really matters, that enlightenment does not matter, that
>paths do not matter, that teachings do not matter, that ideas do not
>matter, that perceptions do not matter.... That all that matters is that
>I look to the sun and say "what a wonderful day it is" and feel the love,
>be the love, be loved, be love, >snip<

Truth and Love are not at war with one another, they are the same. Become
the Truth, and you will be Love. Become Love, and you will be the Truth.

Love,
Dharma

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08-25-2001, 07:38 AM

--- In HarshaSatsangh@y..., Dharma wrote:
> Hi Lynette,
>
> Truth and Love are not at war with one another, they are the same.
Become
> the Truth, and you will be Love. Become Love, and you will be the
Truth.
>
> Love,
> Dharma

Dear Dharma,

This is a perfect yellow rose for my meal tray. This is my meal tray
and this is the meal. It is the satiation. Become Truth...become
Love...Become Love...Become Truth. Thanks Dharma for this morning
blast of cool sunlight.

With Love,
Mazie

08-26-2001, 04:20 AM

Hi Wim,

>If I remember well, Lynette's subject line was "truths??", note her question
>marks. It seems to me that she is very aware of Truth..., just helping us
>thinking through this "truths / beliefs confusion" a bit.

Which is what I suggested when I said: "So I'm not sure whether you were
really asking a question or writing a sort of poem, working up to the final
line.

)

But you are sweet to come to her defense, when you thought you saw a need.

Love,
Dharma

08-26-2001, 05:02 AM

Hi Mazie,

>This is a perfect yellow rose for my meal tray. This is my meal tray
>and this is the meal. It is the satiation. Become Truth...become
>Love...Become Love...Become Truth. Thanks Dharma for this morning
>blast of cool sunlight.

Thank you... what a beautiful response! You use words in such a visual
way, as if building a flower arrangement!

Love,
Dharma

08-26-2001, 08:47 AM

My dearest Dharma:

You wrote:
> But you are sweet to come to her defense,
> when you thought you saw a need.

And my dear Dharma,
if YOU need a knight
when you are in distress,
I'll be right there... :-)
Although..
Truth needs no defense,
but its supporters support each other...

:-) Now, don't shoot holes into what I just wrote... (-:
I am just trying to be gallant, at the ready for truth...

Jestingly, on a beautiful Sunday morning...
Wim

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