Non-identification with body

08-08-2001, 05:32 AM

Anybody have similar experiences? And is this similar to what
Nisargadatta et. al. refer to when they advise us not to identify
with our bodies and minds?
Yes, I've had similar situations and similar responses..... I remember
distinctly though that the reason why there was no fear experienced
was because a calm secure voice inside reassured me that all would be
well... It is as if, in those moments when life and death is a split
moment away..... we can slip into a state of peace.... although I've
had other similar cases where the opposite was the case, and I
struggled deeply with emotional terror... I wonder if perhaps our
attachments play a role here.... and when I was emotional it was
because it involved someone I loved {a child} and the other
situations were not emotionally triggered because there was not that
"life" connection that we define in the illusion... you know
husband/wife/child/mother/father those types of distinctions involved
relationships have more emotional attachments to them, then
neighbors/friends/acquaintances/joe blow down the street/
Interesting topic you brought up... thank you Loving you
Loving me
Love
Lynette
Soul receives from soul that knowledge, therefore not by book
nor from tongue.
If knowledge of mysteries come after emptiness of mind, that is
illumination of heart...........Rumi

08-08-2001, 08:15 AM

Here I am not talking of out of body experiences. Frankly I haven't had any
out of body experience.
Here I am talking about the times when most of us have, possibly due to
shock, 'lost interest' in 'controlling' our bodies. It is as if we are
frozen with fear but we do not have any fear, in fact we are rendered
emotionless and unconcerned about what happens to our body.

Let me give two examples to explain. [I am not very proud of what happened
in either case!]
I was on a flimsy motorbike on a narrow bridge when I saw coming towards me
a truck and trailer veering from side to side apparently out of control. I
just froze, yet I did not feel any fear or concern for my safety. I had
turned into an indifferent observer!
The same thing happened when I saw a drowning boy in a swimming pool. There
was no danger to me in any action to save that boy. Yet again I turned into
an indifferent observer.
[Luckily in both cases nothing serious happened.]

Anybody have similar experiences? And is this similar to what Nisargadatta
et. al. refer to when they advise us not to identify with our bodies and minds?

I cannot resist the temptation of quoting from my favorite guru, Nisargadatta:

Having seen that you are a bundle of memories held together by attachment,
step out and look from the outside. You may perceive for the first time
something which is not memory. You cease to be Mr-so-and-so, busy about his
own affairs. You are at last at peace. You realize that nothing was ever
wrong with the world, you alone were wrong and now it is all over. Never
again will you be caught in the meshes of desire born of ignorance. (390)

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08-08-2001, 09:32 AM

--- In HarshaSatsangh@y..., Jan Sultan wrote:

> Here I am not talking of out of body experiences. Frankly I haven't
had any
> out of body experience.
> Here I am talking about the times when most of us have, possibly
due to
> shock, 'lost interest' in 'controlling' our bodies. It is as if we
are
> frozen with fear but we do not have any fear, in fact we are
rendered
> emotionless and unconcerned about what happens to our body.
>
> Anybody have similar experiences? And is this similar to what
Nisargadatta
> et. al. refer to when they advise us not to identify with our
bodies and minds?

The keyword here is "identification".

I would say permanent non-identification with the mind and body comes
out of understanding, knowledge and seeing what the mind and body is
and how it relates to what is permanent.

A momentary silence out of shock may simply be caused by a sensory
overload and such a shock certainly doesn't become permanent.

Still I have experienced what you mention in connection with near
accidents. Interesting how things will seem in those shocked but
emotionless moments and how correctly the body will behave on reflex
in such situations.

Love,

Amanda.