Lilith misunderstood!

06-05-2001, 01:38 PM

Namaste All,

Lilith was 'Adams', first wife in the allegory. She represented the
pre adamic man, and perhaps the mixtures. At an early date man was
made both 'male and female', so sex must have been a bit of a toss up.
You know who was going to do what with what and to whom!!hahah

Lilith fell out with Adam because she wanted to be on top, or the
story goes. All mystical cabbala stuff.(Strangely the Freemasons still
use Lilith in some of their ceremonies----Owl Woman.)

At the separation of the sexes the female energy was Eve and the male
Adam. I treat this is representative of large groups not just two
people per se.

The Adamics were not meat eaters, the other hominids and mixtures
seemingly were.Genesis 1:29

'And 'God' said, Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed,
which is upon the face of the earth, and every tree, in which is the
fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you shall it be for meat!!!'

'He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a
lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck..' Isaiah66;3

Although the Adamics carried the day with Rama, they lost in the
rebellion prior to Atlantis's destruction. Vegetarianism is a vestige
of the spiritual nature of the Adamic Kumaras.

Om Namah Sivaya...Tony.

06-05-2001, 01:48 PM

dearest tonysan....

bark, barf, barf, bark....which lilith did you sleep with....was a different
one than one i did.....that is not what i meant at all....at all what i
meant that is not....bark, barf, barf, bark....ROTFLOL......^^~~~~~

Subject: [HarshaSatsangh] Lilith misunderstood!

> Namaste All,
>
> Lilith was 'Adams', first wife in the allegory. She represented the
> pre adamic man, and perhaps the mixtures. At an early date man was
> made both 'male and female', so sex must have been a bit of a toss up.
> You know who was going to do what with what and to whom!!hahah
>
> Lilith fell out with Adam because she wanted to be on top, or the
> story goes. All mystical cabbala stuff.(Strangely the Freemasons still
> use Lilith in some of their ceremonies----Owl Woman.)
>
> At the separation of the sexes the female energy was Eve and the male
> Adam. I treat this is representative of large groups not just two
> people per se.
>
> The Adamics were not meat eaters, the other hominids and mixtures
> seemingly were.Genesis 1:29
>
> 'And 'God' said, Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed,
> which is upon the face of the earth, and every tree, in which is the
> fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you shall it be for meat!!!'
>
> 'He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a
> lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck..' Isaiah66;3
>
> Although the Adamics carried the day with Rama, they lost in the
> rebellion prior to Atlantis's destruction. Vegetarianism is a vestige
> of the spiritual nature of the Adamic Kumaras.
>
>
> Om Namah Sivaya...Tony.
>
>

06-06-2001, 12:36 AM

Here is the legend of Lilith... and I couldn't resist including a little
more.

Also, as I recall, the Old English epic Beowulf has a story that
the monsters in the epic were descended from Cain, who was born of Lilith,
not Eve.
------------------------------

LEGENDS OF THE PATRIARCHS AND PROPHETS, Rev. S. Baring-Gould, M.A., New
York: John B. Alden, pub., 1884, pp. 33-35.

That Eve was Adam's second wife was a common Rabbinic speculation;
certain of the commentators on Genesis having adopted this view to account
for the double account of the creation of woman in the sacred text, - first
in Genesis i. 27, and secondly in Genesis ii. 18; and they say that Adam's
first wife was named Lilith, but she was expelled from Eden, and after her
expulsion Eve was created.
Abraham Ecchellensis gives the following account of Lilith, and her
doings: - "There are some who do not regard spectres as simple devils, but
suppose them to be of a mixed nature, part demoniacal, part human, and to
have had their origin from Lilith, Adam's first wife, by Eblis, the prince
of the devils. This fable has been transmitted to the Arabs from Jewish
sources, by some converts of Mahomet from Cabalism and Rabbinism, who have
transferred all the Jewish fooleries to the Arabs. They gave to Adam a wife
formed of clay, along with Adam, and called her Lilith; resting on the
Scripture, 'male and female created He them:'1 but when this woman, on
account of her simultaneous creation with him, became proud and a vexation
to her husband, God expelled her from Paradise, and then said. 'It is not
good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helpmeet for him.'2
And this they confirmed by the words of Adam when he saw the woman
fashioned from his rib, 'This is now bone of my bone, and flesh of my
flesh,'3 which is as much as to say, Now God has given me a wife and
companion, suitable to me, taken from my bone and flesh, but the other wife
he gave me was not of my bone and flesh, and therefore was not a suitable
companion and wife for me.
"But Lilith, after she was expelled from Paradise, is said to have
married the Devil, by whom she had children, who are called Jins. These
were endued with six qualities, of which they share three with men, and
three with devils. Like men, they generate in their own likeness, eat food,
and die. Like devils, they are winged, and they fly where they list with
great velocity; they are invisible, and they can pass through solid
substances without injuring them. This race of Jins is supposed to be less
noxious to men, and indeed to live in some familiarity and friendship with
them, as in part sharers of their nature. The author of the history and
acts of Alexander of Macedon relates, that in a certain region of India, on
certain hours of the day, the young Jins assume a human form, and appear
openly and play games with the native children of human parents quite
familiarly."4
It must not be supposed that women, as they are now, are at all
comparable to Eve in her pristine beauty; on this point the Talmud says:
"All women in respect of Sarah are like monkeys in respect of men. But
Sarah can no more be compared to Eve than can a monkey be compared with a
man. In like manner it may be said, if any comparison could be drawn
between Eve and Adam, she stood to him in the same relation of beauty as
does a monkey to a man; but if you were to compare Adam with God, Adam
would be the monkey, and God the man."5
Literary ladies may point to the primal mother as the first authoress;
for a Gospel of Eve existed in the times of S. Epiphanius, who mentions it
as being in repute among the Gnostics.6 And the Mussulmans attribute to
her a volume of Prophecies which were written at her dictation by the Angel
Raphael.7
All ladies will be glad to learn that there is a tradition, Manichean,
it is true, and anathematized by S. Clement, which nevertheless contains a
large element of truth; it is to this effect, that Adam, when made, was
like a beast, coarse, rude, and inanimate, but that from Eve he received
his upright position, his polish, and his spirituality.8
--------------------------

1. Gen. i. 27.
2. Ibid., ii. 18.
3. Ibid, .23.
4. Abraham Ecchellensis, Hist. Arabum, p. 268.
5. Talmud, Tract. Bava Bathra.
6. S. Epiphan. Haeres., xxvi.
7. Tho. Bangius, Coelum Orientis, p.103.
8. S. Clementi Recog., c.iv.

06-06-2001, 02:35 AM

beloved dharma....

thank you for this posting....it has been years since i really thought
about Lilith.....George MacDonald makes wonderful use of this
evocative myth in Phantases....maybe i will dig around and see if i
can find it and re-read it on my flight to holland....i was thinking
of re-reading Moby Dick since i have not touched this tome in about
20 years either....and yes, Beowulf....there is a connection between
all these somewhere.....ah yes.....Ismael is the narrator of
MD....another great symbol of one who is a spiritual 'outcast, one
who is unregenerate'.....complexity within complexity....duality
within duality......the one who is reputedly blind 'spiritually'
looking in upon those who are blind but have convinced themselves
that they are not.....your presence and wisdom are a blessing to us
all.....i send you love.....^^~~~~~

further up and further in,

white wolfeSubject: Re: [HarshaSatsangh] Lilith misunderstood!
> Here is the legend of Lilith... and I couldn't resist including a
little> more.

Also, as I recall, the Old English epic Beowulf has
a story that> the monsters in the epic were descended from Cain, who
was born of Lilith,> not Eve.> ------------------------------> >
LEGENDS OF THE PATRIARCHS AND PROPHETS, Rev. S. Baring-Gould, M.A.,
New> York: John B. Alden, pub., 1884, pp. 33-35.> > That Eve was
Adam's second wife was a common Rabbinic speculation;> certain of the
commentators on Genesis having adopted this view to account> for the
double account of the creation of woman in the sacred text, - first>
in Genesis i. 27, and secondly in Genesis ii. 18; and they say that
Adam's> first wife was named Lilith, but she was expelled from Eden,
and after her> expulsion Eve was created.> Abraham Ecchellensis
gives the following account of Lilith, and her> doings: - "There are
some who do not regard spectres as simple devils, but> suppose them
to be of a mixed nature, part demoniacal, part human, and to> have
had their origin from Lilith, Adam's first wife, by Eblis, the
prince> of the devils. This fable has been transmitted to the Arabs
from Jewish> sources, by some converts of Mahomet from Cabalism and
Rabbinism, who have> transferred all the Jewish fooleries to the
Arabs. They gave to Adam a wife> formed of clay, along with Adam, and
called her Lilith; resting on the> Scripture, 'male and female created
He them:'1 but when this woman, on> account of her simultaneous
creation with him, became proud and a vexation> to her husband, God
expelled her from Paradise, and then said. 'It is not> good that the
man should be alone; I will make him a helpmeet for him.'2> And this
they confirmed by the words of Adam when he saw the woman> fashioned
from his rib, 'This is now bone of my bone, and flesh of my> flesh,'3
which is as much as to say, Now God has given me a wife and>
companion, suitable to me, taken from my bone and flesh, but the
other wife> he gave me was not of my bone and flesh, and therefore
was not a suitable> companion and wife for me.> "But Lilith,
after she was expelled from Paradise, is said to have> married the
Devil, by whom she had children, who are called Jins. These> were
endued with six qualities, of which they share three with men, and>
three with devils. Like men, they generate in their own likeness, eat
food,> and die. Like devils, they are winged, and they fly where they
list with> great velocity; they are invisible, and they can pass
through solid> substances without injuring them. This race of Jins is
supposed to be less> noxious to men, and indeed to live in some
familiarity and friendship with> them, as in part sharers of their
nature. The author of the history and> acts of Alexander of Macedon
relates, that in a certain region of India, on> certain hours of the
day, the young Jins assume a human form, and appear> openly and play
games with the native children of human parents quite> familiarly."4>
It must not be supposed that women, as they are now, are at all>
comparable to Eve in her pristine beauty; on this point the Talmud
says:> "All women in respect of Sarah are like monkeys in respect of
men. But> Sarah can no more be compared to Eve than can a monkey be
compared with a> man. In like manner it may be said, if any
comparison could be drawn> between Eve and Adam, she stood to him in
the same relation of beauty as> does a monkey to a man; but if you
were to compare Adam with God, Adam> would be the monkey, and God the
man."5> Literary ladies may point to the primal mother as the
first authoress;> for a Gospel of Eve existed in the times of S.
Epiphanius, who mentions it> as being in repute among the Gnostics.6
And the Mussulmans attribute to> her a volume of Prophecies which were
written at her dictation by the Angel> Raphael.7> All ladies will
be glad to learn that there is a tradition, Manichean,> it is true,
and anathematized by S. Clement, which nevertheless contains a> large
element of truth; it is to this effect, that Adam, when made, was>
like a beast, coarse, rude, and inanimate, but that from Eve he
received> his upright position, his polish, and his spirituality.8>
--------------------------> > 1. Gen. i. 27.> 2. Ibid., ii. 18.> 3.
Ibid, .23.> 4. Abraham Ecchellensis, Hist. Arabum, p. 268.> 5.
Talmud, Tract. Bava Bathra.> 6. S. Epiphan. Haeres., xxvi.> 7. Tho.
Bangius, Coelum Orientis, p.103.> 8. S. Clementi Recog., c.iv.> > > >
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06-06-2001, 06:51 AM

Hi Wolf,

> beloved dharma.... thank you for this posting....it has been years
>since i really thought about Lilith.....George MacDonald makes wonderful
>use of this evocative myth in Phantases....maybe i will dig around and
>see if i can find it and re-read it on my flight to holland....

I don't know that book... is it something I should look for?

How did you like the last little bit?

>snip< that Adam, when made, was> like a beast, coarse, rude, and
>inanimate, but that from Eve he received> his upright position, his
>polish, and his spirituality.

I couldn't resist leaving it in.

))

Love,
Dharma