RE: Illusion, illusion, and illumination, etc

**RE: Illusion, illusion, and illumination, etc -** 10-29-2000, 11:56 PM

Dear Bro Wim,

What a beautiful thoughts... I love your posts very much.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and wisdom with us.

Gate Gate Paragate Parasamgate Bodhisvaha...
Nasir

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> From: Wim Borsboom[SMTP:aurasphere@...]
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 2:13 AM
> To: HarshaSatsangh (AT) egroups (DOT) com; Kundalini
> Subject: [HarshaSatsangh] Illusion, illusion, and illumination
>
> Tony:
>
> > There is no beginning for it never happened, it is illusion.
>
> For one, when we do not get this, we are stuck in the concepts of a 'one
> direction timeline' and something close to 'flatlanders space'.
> Pretty well all of us hazily float about and grope around in a perceived
> world of two spatial and one temporal dimension... all conceived...
> Concepts.
> Tenuous and half hearted agreements.
>
> A few posts ago (to the Kundalini Gateway list) I suggested that we
> imagine
> the 'flat' yin yang symbol as a hyper or at least multi-dimensional
> object.
> That is of course still conceptual, but our attempt at it may shake us
> lose
> from our stuckness to prescribed world views and our hampered freedom
> through lack of clarity in them.
>
> Here it is:
> "Actually, I saw in one of my experiential visions that time and space are
> a
> *creation of each other*. They are the cause and effect of each other,
> there
> is a simultaneity to it, but that simultaneity is not of the same kind as
> our
> present space/time concurrencies. We live in very zoomed out
> circumstances,
> and the resolution of our existence level is quite coarse.
> Funny experience that is, as time/space create each other, they twirl
> about,
> not knowing who is what and when. It is very comical. The experience comes
> with great primal laughter and cosmic humor. Way more fun and not as
> agonizingly stupid (I mean this well :-) as the play of a dog trying to
> catch its tail. More something like a very dynamic and multi dimensional
> 'yin
> yang' representation. Try imagining the 'yin yang' thing as a spherical
> object, try to also imagine that the two-ness of it is really a one-ness,
> where only one beginnining is depicted but as two ends, the two shades
> could
> be seen as the two sides of one of those circular ribbons where the inside
> becomes the outside because of a twist in the ribbon before the two ends
> where connected and the circle was closed, (forget the name of the thing
> at
> the moment), the shape of an ambihelical ring."
>
> Ah, I just remember it: Moebius Strip or something or another, oh yes,
> hmm... also the Klein Bottle:
> http://www.cut-the-knot.com/do_you_know/moebius.html
> http://www.cut-the-knot.com/do_you_k...rip.html#klein
> Neat stuff, unreal...!
>
> Anyway this is just an attempt to help some of you get there (nowhere
> really:-).
> We may use our mental abilities to imaginatively conceive. This will
> influence our limited use of our senses and finer perceptions and diminish
> our sole reliance on them so that at some point in time (ha!) we may get
> the
> void/form conundrum sorted out as it is so well clarified by Boddhisattva
> Avalokiteshvara in the Prajna Paramita Hridaya sutra.
>
> When we fall in love, losing ourselves in surrender, all conceptuality
> goes
> the way of the libi-dodo bird. ;-)
>
> Love, Wim
>
>
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**Re: Illusion, illusion, and illumination, etc -** 10-30-2000, 07:48 AM

Dear Nasir,
> Gate Gate Paragate Parasamgate Bodhisvaha...

Yes, yes

Love,
Wim