Tony:

> There is no beginning for it never happened, it is illusion.

For one, when we do not get this, we are stuck in the concepts of a 'one
direction timeline' and something close to 'flatlanders space'.
Pretty well all of us hazily float about and grope around in a perceived
world of two spatial and one temporal dimension... all conceived...
Concepts.
Tenuous and half hearted agreements.

A few posts ago (to the Kundalini Gateway list) I suggested that we imagine
the 'flat' yin yang symbol as a hyper or at least multi-dimensional object.
That is of course still conceptual, but our attempt at it may shake us lose
from our stuckness to prescribed world views and our hampered freedom
through lack of clarity in them.

Here it is:
"Actually, I saw in one of my experiential visions that time and space are a
*creation of each other*. They are the cause and effect of each other, there
is a simultaneity to it, but that simultaneity is not of the same kind as
our
present space/time concurrencies. We live in very zoomed out circumstances,
and the resolution of our existence level is quite coarse.
Funny experience that is, as time/space create each other, they twirl about,
not knowing who is what and when. It is very comical. The experience comes
with great primal laughter and cosmic humor. Way more fun and not as
agonizingly stupid (I mean this well :-) as the play of a dog trying to
catch its tail. More something like a very dynamic and multi dimensional
'yin
yang' representation. Try imagining the 'yin yang' thing as a spherical
object, try to also imagine that the two-ness of it is really a one-ness,
where only one beginnining is depicted but as two ends, the two shades could
be seen as the two sides of one of those circular ribbons where the inside
becomes the outside because of a twist in the ribbon before the two ends
where connected and the circle was closed, (forget the name of the thing at
the moment), the shape of an ambihelical ring."

Ah, I just remember it: Moebius Strip or something or another, oh yes,
hmm... also the Klein Bottle:
http://www.cut-the-knot.com/do_you_know/moebius.html
http://www.cut-the-knot.com/do_you_k...rip.html#klein
Neat stuff, unreal...!

Anyway this is just an attempt to help some of you get there (nowhere
really:-).
We may use our mental abilities to imaginatively conceive. This will
influence our limited use of our senses and finer perceptions and diminish
our sole reliance on them so that at some point in time (ha!) we may get the
void/form conundrum sorted out as it is so well clarified by Boddhisattva
Avalokiteshvara in the Prajna Paramita Hridaya sutra.

When we fall in love, losing ourselves in surrender, all conceptuality goes
the way of the libi-dodo bird. ;-)

Love, Wim