Kundalini Shakti

04-05-2000, 02:45 PM

Hi all,

This post on Kundalini-Shakti
was a very interesting post.

The numerous directions and channels K-Shakti
can go through is a mystery indeed.
Maybe we will never get the whole picture
as Kundalini-Shakti is pure consciousness
and has all avenues available for itself.

I have a few additonal comments to make:

On Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:26:55 Harsha wrote:

>A discussion of Medha Nadi is usually not found except in some
>cases -- See Swami Narayanananda (The Primal Power in Man). By the way, I
>used to write quite a bit on Kundalini some years ago on the K-List along
>with Kurt, Jan, Gene Keiffer (Gopi Krishna's student and publisher) and
>others.

I would have liked to see these archives
too.

Dan:
> where K would go into the front of the middle of the
> body. It said that this was an improper path and was
> associated with emotional problems. >>

Hillary:
>But
> Harsha seems to be talking about an upward movement like yours and mine,
> while Magne Aga describes a downward movement.

Georg Feuerstein mentions in his book
"Tantra, the path of ecstacy", in the
chapter on Kundalini-Shakti, that different
tantric traditions operate with 5 main energies
and 5 secondary energies
(the comments in the parantheses are mine).

The 5 main energies are:
prana - ascending vital energy, inhalation and
exhalation
apana -descending vital energy
vyana -through breath, vital energy circulating
in the limbs
udana -upbreath, speech eructation and attention into higher states of
consciousness
(it is not clearly stated what the difference b/n prana and udana is)
samana -midbreath, connected with the digestive
process (which in some ways apana is also)

The 5 secondary energies are:
vomiting / eructation
blinking
hunger / sneezing
sleep / yawning
decomposition of the corpse

(I left the sanskrit terms for these energies
out as they are not frequently encountered)

While some things are not perfectly clear
to me, as for example the difference b/n
udana and prana, the five main energies
can themselves be clearly felt as movement
of Kundalini-Shakti.
The prana and apana have been especially
prominent and as Harsha mentioned, they
can both rise / sink in the back channel or
the front channel, with somewhat different
results (that are not very well differentiated).

Magna Aga mentioned a downward energy that
feels cold, and I take this to be the apana.
The prana usually feels warm and can usually
be felt rising.
What sometimes also happens is that the apana
may descend for some time, for then to
suddenly shift and give way
to prana which ascends. As Magne mentioned,
when these two energies connect in the root and
in the crown, another force appears which seems
to be pure consciousness rises.
Someone described this as the real Kundalini
to me, but I am for the moment rather
confused about the terms.

At any rate, my personal experience is also
that both the apana and the prana can
manifest in the physical and the higher bodies,
there with clearer energy and much stronger
force than in the physical body.
I am not sure whether you can still call
these energies prana and apana when they
are no longer in the physical body.
Well.

Dan asked whether the front channel can cause
emotional problems and I have felt that
the front channel affects the chakras in a
different way, to me energy going in the
front has been especially
overt in the second and
third chakra and the third eye,
as well as the digestive system, which all
have been problem points for me.
All these points have been associated with
ego and emotion and the emotional body,
which has taken time to clean up, so yes,
for me the front channel has been associated
with some problems.

The front channel was also very easy to feel
from the start, so either, it is not the
medha nadi I feel as the front channel,
or the madha nadi can make itself well
known even in ppl who have not reached
advanced stages with K-Shakti as Harsha
indicated.

The back channel however, has also presented
some problems, but also many special
experiences I haven't heard others
describe.
When energy from the back channel rose into the
nape of the neck, the brain stem and the
area behind the ears, known as the
amygdalic-limbic system in neurobiology,
strong fear was experienced, corresponding to
overstimulation of these circuits in the brain.

However, there is also a chakra or center at the
very base of the neck which G. Paulson in her
book "Kundalini and the chakras" calls
"the chakra of spiritual
devotion".

The secondary energies can also be felt when
Kundalini-Shakti rises, and they can be
influences by it, as for example sneezing can
be stopped, blinking can cease,
yawning can start up etc.
I still don't know if decomposition of the
corpse is something which can be influenced,
but Indian and other rumors have it it can.

Well, this post got longer and more
incoherent than I had intended it to be.
I feel I should say something more about
what happens in the different parts of the
brain when the vibrations from Kundalini-
Shakti hits them, but that will have to wait.

All I can say in conclusion is that
Kundalini-Shakti dissolves all little and big
knots in the mindbody by overcoming them with
the energy needed to straighten them out,
sometimes quite forcefully,
and then makes
the mindbody vibrate in a synchronized rate.

Lastly, a defence of the medha nadi:
Dharma and I chatted a little about this
channel some time ago and she asked me
why I seemed to be sending so much energy
into it instead of the proper channel,
the susumna.
I didn't know, but got a feeling this
was done to funnel off more energy than
would have been possible by only using the
back channel.
So, when both are open, there may perhaps
be more avenues open for the energy to rise
and a lower risk for painful blocks ?

Well, got to go to bed now.

I could chat your ears warm
on this subject, but I guess you have it
up to the throat chakra now.

Love,

Amanda.

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04-06-2000, 11:24 AM

Is nice heard this. In fact i have experienced like k downward from
the head to my heart. i felt now (twon weeks ago) my problems in the
heart an in the plexus coinciding with the downward flow. By the
other
hand in my face i feel the chanel through my head from my back.

I had belived that this feeling was perceive in subjective terms by
me. I didn´t belive, k is got down (where is she going, i
wonder?).

thanks,
charco

--- In HarshaSatsangh (AT) egroups (DOT) com, "Harsha" wrote:
> Hillary, thanks for raising this point. I will forward the post to
> HarshaSatsangha as well. Of the thousands of Nadis, six are
considered most
> important for Kundalini practitioners and advanced yogis. Sushumana
is in
> the back in the middle of the spine (see detailed descriptions in
Swami
> Sivananda's books) and when the Kundalini Shakti ascends to
Sahasarara one
> is in mental space. With the rising of Kundalini from Muladhara,
the
body
> consciousness is lost but a person does not become unconscious and
can have
> various visions, samadhis, etc. Medha is the frontal counterpart to
> Sushumana and usually comes into play in later stages when a person
is
> already advanced on the Shakti path. Shakti does indeed travel
upwards
> through the Medha Nadi as well and brings certain abilities and
powerful
> experiences. Ida and Pingala in the back also have frontal
counterparts
> called Lakshmi and Sarswati and Shakti can travel through these
four
as
> well. This is a very complex topic as the Kundalini Shakti can
travel
> through many paths and the forces can ascend and descend in a
variety of
> ways. A discussion of Medha Nadi is usually not found except in some
> cases -- See Swami Narayanananda (The Primal Power in Man). By the
way, I
> used to write quite a bit on Kundalini some years ago on the K-List
along
> with Kurt, Jan, Gene Keiffer (Gopi Krishna's student and publisher)
and
> others. We had a lot of fun. At least I did anyway. Are those
archives easy
> to access? There is a lot of good information there.
>
> Harsha
>
> http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/HarshaSatsangh
>
> Druout@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/3/00 11:59:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> xendor@...
> writes:
>
> << I flipped some
> pages and got to a section that showed some of the
> paths kundalini could follow. It showed one path
> where K would go into the front of the middle of the
> body. It said that this was an improper path and was
> associated with emotional problems. >>
>
> Dear Dan,
>
> Sounds like an interesting book. Do you remember the title or
author? My
> K
> doesn't behave itself "properly" either. I would describe it
somewhat
> like
> this "middle of the body path," but I don't discern any particular
> "emotional
> problems."
>
> Quite a while ago Harsha and Magne Aga described this path. [see
below].
> But
> Harsha seems to be talking about an upward movement like yours
and
mine,
> while Magne Aga describes a downward movement. Perhaps Harsha
can
give us
> more information as to what Swami Narayanananda has to say?
>
> Love, Hillary
>
> Subj: Re: Nadis - The Upanishads, Heart, and the Shakti
> Date: 98-06-02 17:53:59 EDT
> From: magneaga@... (Magne Aga)
> To: kundalini-l@...
>
> Harsha:
> I hardly see much mention in the literature of
> the Shakti manifestations and moving upwards that is felt in the
front.
> One exception is Swami Narayanananda (Ramakrishna tradition) who
speaks
> very
> precisely of the counterpart of Sushmana that is felt in the
front.
>
> Hillary:
> Could you give me more info on this. (A book ref. maybe?) This
is
> precisely how I constantly feel these energies.
>
> Magne Aga:
>
> This is exactly what Kriya Yoga is all about. Kundalini moves
upwards
> through sushumna, and downwards meda on the front. Here's the real
> difference between Kriya Yoga and the traditional Kundalini Yoga.
> Kundalini
> Yoga emphasizes only the positive part of the energy, not the
negative
> counterpart. In Kundalini Yoga, all the energy shall rise to the
head, and
> then Finito ! The Quest ends. It is almost the same logic as to
say that
> the World should consist only of Males, that we shall allways be
awake
> (never sleep), that we shall only have + electricity (no -
counterpart).
>
> The rise upwards sushumna to the head can cause severe
imbalances,
if no
> counterpart energy flows downwards meda. Kundalini and the ligth
body /
> ressurected body is Yang and Yin. In "Vishuddhi shuddhi", the
energy moves
> upwards and downwards through meda nadi. In Kriya Yoga it moves
upwards
> sushumna, downwards meda.
>
> Sahashrara and Muladhara are called the two poles. There exists a
cosmic
> energy in the head, and an Earth energy in the root. When
Kundalini meets
> the head, it expects to find a "reserved place" there. But if
there ain't
> any room there, because the head is preoccupied by the other pole
energy,
> Kundalini begins to search endlesly, restless after a place to
be,
and the
> result may be a psychosis.
>
>
>
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