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Default Illusion is illusion and it is real for you! - 02-01-2000, 09:26 AM

Namaste All, Zenbob,

Actually Zenbob I may be recovering from some kind of
grief stage but most of the energy, is being directed
and transmuted somewhat. Perhaps not as well as some
would like, perhaps I am not where I think I am?

However I think of Nishkarma karma and offer the
result to the Lord as the doer. As with Maharaj. I
also think of Ramakrishna's saying that,' if you bark
like a dog then you don't have to bite'.

As far as proof is concerned, re S.B. I know some of
the people involved personally. There is overwhelming
circumstantial evidence, it is beyond hearsay etc.

One cannot talk about the illusion of good and evil
until one is realised fully. Jesus was realised but he
still whipped the temple animal sacrificers and money
changers. That's what I am talking about; intellectual
copout and airy fairy realisation stuff from people
who are locked in illusion.

However if their relative was molested or murdered,
the airy fair 'no evil no good' soon disappears and is
replaced with the relative reality they live in.
Sankara again 'it is real while you are in it'.

Only Brahman can 'say' it is unreal.

The descriptions and references to western realisation
are not Moksha even though they may be temporary break
throughs. Most of what I see from people quoting the
Buddha etc, they don't even follow his code of ahimsa
etc. Just intellectual diversion that's all.

With regard to me talking of Shirdi, Ramana or any
dead Saint; Realised souls are used as a focus or
image for some, when in fact they are Saguna Brahman
or a form that Iswara takes, check Ramana on this.

But where is the last piece of the jigsaw
puzzle?hahaha

Om Namah Sivaya, Tony.


Check out these urls....


http://eslvcr.fireplug.net/bcskeptic...r/db-book.html

It is a guy called Beyerstein it was part of my
overall research.

http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/sathyasaibaba I
have a lot of stuff here! Check Baileydf I know him
and his wife personally both here and in Australia.

Http://members.xoom.com/aoclery/escapesai1.htm

http://members.xoom.com/aoclery/kidsinsai.htm

http://www.sokaren.se/INDEX135.HTML ( Larsson)

http://www.nhne.com/specialreports/srsaibaba.html

http://vclass.mtsac.edu:940/dlane/saidebates.htm

http://www.indian-skeptic.de/html/index.htm

http://skepdic.com/truebeliever.html

http://www.danwinter.com/seemen/index.html

http://www.danwinter.com/addiction/index.html

Om Namah Sivaya..Tony.



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ASATHO MA SATH GAMAYA, From the unreal lead me to the real,
THAMASO MA JYOTHIR GAMAYA, From darkness, lead me to light,
MRITHYOR MA AMRITAM GAMAYA.From death, lead me to immortality.
OM, SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI. Om, Peace Peace Peace.
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