Namaste, Advaitins,

I have just opened my Yahoo Mail after about ten days. Oosh, there are more
than 800 mails to be read. There are quite a lot on “Real and Unreal” which I
must read first. Before reading any of them, I thought I must also add my
understanding of “Real”:

“Real” Cannot be defined. One can attempt to define something provided:

-It belongs to a Species (Jati)

-It has a Guna (attribute)

-It has a Kriya (action)

-It can be related to something else (Sambandha)

If “Real” fulfils any one or more of the above requirements so that it can be
defined, “Real” will no more be “Real”.

“Real” as understood in Advaita is not opposite of Unreal. In the vision of
Vedanta, particularly Advaita, there is no unreal, and there is only Real and
that is Atma or Aham or Brahman. It is Consciousness per se (Chit) or Knowledge
per se (Gnanam).

Yes, Real, though formless, may appear to be having forms and appear to have
one nor more of the above i.e. Jati, Guna, Kriyha and Sambandha. Such
appearance/s is/are “Mithyas”. Mithya is not Unreal, nor is it real, it is just
an appearance for the time being i.e. Swakale Astivat Bhati. (Example: dream)
Such appearances are there only for Mithyas (i.e. jeevas or knowers with
reference to the knowns). In the absolute realm of “Real” there is neither
Knower, nor known, nor knowing, i.e. the Tripudi.

However, “Brahman” has been “defined” rather indicated as “Satyam Gnanam
Anantham Brahma” in Tai. Up. It is just for understanding or appreciation of the
meaning of Brahman.

IMHO, any amount of debates/discussions/commentaries in trying to define “Real”
will take one no where.

HARI OM AND WARM REGARDS

Mani










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Thank you Mani-Ji:

Our ancestors tried their best to pass on this message for the future
generations. Your post reminded me of the final message from
mahaabhaarata, which is known as "bhaarata saavitrii", where veda
vyaaasa says -

jiivo nityo heturasya tvanityaH ||

Meaning - jivaatvmaa (aatmaa @ individual level/parmaatmaa as the
soul of the universe) is nitya (real / true) and everything that has
been resulted through it's bandhana (bindings / imprisonment)
are "anitya" (unreal or non-truths), there by meaning all the
manifestations.

That is why he reminds us for understanding the "significance of
daharma" at each and every corner as 'darmo nityaH'

What a wonderful discussion !

aa no bhadraaH kratavo yantu vishvataH

Yadunath


--- In advaitin (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani@y...> wrote:
>
> Namaste, Advaitins,
>
> I have just opened my Yahoo Mail after about ten days. Oosh, there
are more than 800 mails to be read. There are quite a lot on "Real
and Unreal" which I must read first. Before reading any of them, I
thought I must also add my understanding of "Real":
>
> "Real" Cannot be defined. One can attempt to define something
provided:
>
> -It belongs to a Species (Jati)
>
> -It has a Guna (attribute)
>
> -It has a Kriya (action)
>
> -It can be related to something else (Sambandha)
>
> If "Real" fulfils any one or more of the above requirements so
that it can be defined, "Real" will no more be "Real".
>
> "Real" as understood in Advaita is not opposite of Unreal. In the
vision of Vedanta, particularly Advaita, there is no unreal, and
there is only Real and that is Atma or Aham or Brahman. It is
Consciousness per se (Chit) or Knowledge per se (Gnanam).
>
> Yes, Real, though formless, may appear to be having forms and
appear to have one nor more of the above i.e. Jati, Guna, Kriyha and
Sambandha. Such appearance/s is/are "Mithyas". Mithya is not Unreal,
nor is it real, it is just an appearance for the time being i.e.
Swakale Astivat Bhati. (Example: dream) Such appearances are there
only for Mithyas (i.e. jeevas or knowers with reference to the
knowns). In the absolute realm of "Real" there is neither Knower, nor
known, nor knowing, i.e. the Tripudi.
>
> However, "Brahman" has been "defined" rather indicated as "Satyam
Gnanam Anantham Brahma" in Tai. Up. It is just for understanding or
appreciation of the meaning of Brahman.
>
> IMHO, any amount of debates/discussions/commentaries in trying to
define "Real" will take one no where.
>
> HARI OM AND WARM REGARDS
>
> Mani
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thank you Very much Sri Yaduji,
YOur quotation of the one line sloka conveys the spirit of Advaita.
Warm regards
Mani

ymoharir <ymoharir@...> wrote:
Thank you Mani-Ji:

Our ancestors tried their best to pass on this message for the future
generations. Your post reminded me of the final message from
mahaabhaarata, which is known as "bhaarata saavitrii", where veda
vyaaasa says -

jiivo nityo heturasya tvanityaH ||

Meaning - jivaatvmaa (aatmaa @ individual level/parmaatmaa as the
soul of the universe) is nitya (real / true) and everything that has
been resulted through it's bandhana (bindings / imprisonment)
are "anitya" (unreal or non-truths), there by meaning all the
manifestations.

That is why he reminds us for understanding the "significance of
daharma" at each and every corner as 'darmo nityaH'

What a wonderful discussion !

aa no bhadraaH kratavo yantu vishvataH

Yadunath


--- In advaitin (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "R.S.MANI" <r_s_mani@y...> wrote:
>
> Namaste, Advaitins,
>
> I have just opened my Yahoo Mail after about ten days. Oosh, there
are more than 800 mails to be read. There are quite a lot on "Real
and Unreal" which I must read first. Before reading any of them, I
thought I must also add my understanding of "Real":
>
> "Real" Cannot be defined. One can attempt to define something
provided:
>
> -It belongs to a Species (Jati)
>
> -It has a Guna (attribute)
>
> -It has a Kriya (action)
>
> -It can be related to something else (Sambandha)
>
> If "Real" fulfils any one or more of the above requirements so
that it can be defined, "Real" will no more be "Real".
>
> "Real" as understood in Advaita is not opposite of Unreal. In the
vision of Vedanta, particularly Advaita, there is no unreal, and
there is only Real and that is Atma or Aham or Brahman. It is
Consciousness per se (Chit) or Knowledge per se (Gnanam).
>
> Yes, Real, though formless, may appear to be having forms and
appear to have one nor more of the above i.e. Jati, Guna, Kriyha and
Sambandha. Such appearance/s is/are "Mithyas". Mithya is not Unreal,
nor is it real, it is just an appearance for the time being i.e.
Swakale Astivat Bhati. (Example: dream) Such appearances are there
only for Mithyas (i.e. jeevas or knowers with reference to the
knowns). In the absolute realm of "Real" there is neither Knower, nor
known, nor knowing, i.e. the Tripudi.
>
> However, "Brahman" has been "defined" rather indicated as "Satyam
Gnanam Anantham Brahma" in Tai. Up. It is just for understanding or
appreciation of the meaning of Brahman.
>
> IMHO, any amount of debates/discussions/commentaries in trying to
define "Real" will take one no where.
>
> HARI OM AND WARM REGARDS
>
> Mani
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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