[Om Namo Narayanaya]
Rishi ji,
Well said. The only thing permanent in this world is change. "Guru"
is a blessing, whether Deva Guru, Asura Guru or Human Guru. He is
who leads you in times of darkness into light/knowledge and one who
leads you into light cannot be malefic. If guru destroys the bhava
say he is in the seventh, how does he destroy it? creating
disillusionment, giving the reality but does he not in turn make you
aware of the intransience of it all. Does he not help transmogrify?
after all. you would appreciate marital life better when so,
stripped off the rose tints and in stark colors.would that not make
you better equipped to deal with harsher realities of life? More
ammo? I reckon that in itself is a blessing, in fact the most
valuable in all.
Rahu and ketu they are but a reflection of our own shadows, or
confusions, if it were to be light always? we do need the greys and
blacks for the balance. Whether headless, tail less with graha
drishti or rashi drishti they are omnipresent in every chart.
If they are dispensible why have them? Ok go ahead with the seven
karakas,leave out the duo. But does that rid the chart of basic
significators?
When we have the future mapped out in the chart, our various karmas
done and ongoing can we escape the inevitable? The best done would
be to find a way of remedying the same be it through free will,
gemstones, mantras etc? I am sure all of them would work if done
in "faith". I dont advocate fatalism , but reality, accepting,
adapting, learning, coping and winning is what life is all about.
For me atleast!!!
Regards
Nalini
--- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, "rishi_2000in"
<rishi_2000in@...> wrote:
>
> Krishnanji,
> Change is inevitable, after all our senses and lives are a
function
> of time.
> The value of Jupiter or Guru cannot be negated in any age.
> Similarly, even in the good old days Rahu and Ketu played their
role
> and continue doing so even today.
> For what would be good if there is no bad.
> For what would be joy if there was no sorrow.
> They are all a part of our karma and we need to reddem ourselves
> through our own karmas.
> regards
> rishi
>
>
> --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, vattem krishnan
> <bursar_99@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Friends,
> > From Rahu-Ketu to Guru is a traverse certainly through
> Phaladeepika but not of the wiseman shri Mantreswarji.
> > ultimately it comes to that all the evils in today's society
is
> due to one of the "guru"s .Be it Deva Guru or Asura Guru.Incase if
> we have to have continuity we must find changed world as different
> from the past.what actually sounds as these "changes"that are
gloomy
> and in bad taste only get highlighted and all other good things
> (there are many that have been occuring on day to day to day
basis)
> which we may not like to be mentioned.
> > In today'ssituation, the order of the world is Humanbeing is
the
> best judge of himself and no one likes to be convinced.This
approach
> and attitude underscores the need of "guru" and the advent of
rahu's
> superioroty(rahu centric) has led to many electronic gadgets
> including e-poojas and e-sevas.Today we hate black boards.Also the
> taught has better a vision than the teacher.No class room nor a
> gurukul is felt necessary.I strongly believe these are all
(better)
> things for which every one of us owe to one shadow palnet and we
may
> safely link this as rahu.
> > Even the smallest of the smallest village would like to boast
to
> have a temple of Shri Saibaba,or Lord Ayyappa if not the Grama
> Devatas.This is just not limited to only one kind of theology as
> equal number of masjids,chappels and gurudwars ahve found palce
> giving room to secular minds.let's also account for this kind of
> worships to another node of moon,say ketu.These may be nobel
things
> to have found place in today's world.So the
preacher,purohit,pandit
> and in whatever term we may put as kahaji etc are to be given the
> credit to ketu.Most of the regular forms of worships and poojas to
> have undergone changes and now women 'ritviks' have also room in
> today's society
> > The apprehension about "guru'where his aspects makes things
> better and where he takes shelter gets spoiled is to interpret to
> make something else as good and the other thing as body.
> > In today's order one has been forced to materialistic mind.A
> child teacher is not mother or father as they have no time for
> themselves.So mother can not brest feed a child and father has no
> time to have cuddle his tiny tot.This way if we keep anlysing we
may
> be looking from more negative perspects and feel bad in terms of
the
> crime and atrocities.certainly from dwaparyuga to kaliyuga every
> thing has changed as we have every where 'mother diaries',krishi
> bazars and bird flues.Somehow this perspective of world order of
> home delivery looks to be a boon and may enhance regard to
asuraguru.
> > From seers to siddhanties and now to few clicks too is a big
> change.what is good and what is bad can also be made available as
> there are willing persons to serve for each and every cause.This
> applies to services for which this may not be a proper forum to
even
> say.may be a bright feature and ceratinly the greatness of these
> developments also goes into the kitties of one of the gurus.
> > Today bringing dollars home has great recognition.Elite
> Institutions looks for earning in dollors.These great Institutions
> feel proud of their product from the day one even if the students
> feels emberassment in cruel ragging events.This product has better
> awareness of many thing like cracking any password and make
himself
> accessible to any kind of treasury.it depends how early and how
fast
> one is able to master many things needed for a happy and
comfortable
> living.This living lies in temperature controlled cars and rooms
and
> in turn controlled by human logic.It is really difficult to infer
> that some afflicted houses contribute to these elite ways.
> > Yet there are issues that remind the need of Guru and the good
> and bad houses known only through jyotishand made available to
> present world through ceaseless human efforts.Perhaps the
occassions
> that elad one to take to these recourses is at times
disappointments
> due to one or other reasons.or other way if one wants to succeed
and
> make things in his afvour is to attempt to control what is beyond
> him and uncontrollable.
> > All blessings one seeks is only for personal agrandisement and
> do not wish to have any obligation for the good he is able
> recieve.In any case every where for every action we have boards
> displayed around as THANX to feel satified.
> > S o it is litterally also true"BHAGAVAN KE GHAR PAR DHER HAI,
> ANDHER NEHIN krishnan
> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote:
> > dear prashant ji
> >
> > am very happy to find that you have put the "guru" in right
> > perspective in the changed world where people started believing
> that
> > guru spoils his own house. i still have thoughts of old school
> > where guru (both planet guru and human guru) is kept in the same
> > highest esteem as in the previous yugas.
> >
> > on the other hand, malefics are painted positively. for
example,
> in
> > olden days, people used to think that crossing seas is a sin as
if
> a
> > person is not capable of earning bread in his own country and
> > migrating to another country as a refugee. later on educated
> people
> > started selling their knowledge to countries other than their
> > motherland in the positive garb of "brain drain" and feeling
happy
> > that their brains are more rewarded and respected in other
> countries
> > than in their motherland. still there are many professors in
IITs
> > and IIMs serving their motherland with their noble teaching
> > profession even while watching most of their students going
abroad
> > for earning few dollars more. astrologically when few houses
are
> > afflicted and well known mlechha planet rahu's influence is
there,
> > the native goes abroad for earning his bread. i have already
> > written the combinations that make a native go abroad for
earning
> > earlier in this group and hence not repeating. however, the
> > presentation of language is positive as the modern astrologers
> say,
> > if so and so planet is in so and so house (they dont term these
> > planets as malefics) and if rahu is placed in this house or that
> > house, then the native pursue a career abroad and settles
abroad.
> > you can see the positive language in various papers including
> > KNRao's edited book "Planets and Travel Abroad" written by
> M.S.Mehta.
> >
> > any way, as krishnan ji rightly concluded in his previous mail,
> all
> > observations of luminaries are true based on facts and supported
> by
> > classics and only the language or perception is different.
> >
> > with best wishes and regards
> > pandit arjun
> > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Prashant Kumar G B
> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hio Arjun,
> > >
> > > and ALL others who set the chain rolling on rahu, ketu,
> > research etc
> > >
> > > GURU in all Yogas had a supreme role and in the 1st 3 Yugas
> THE
> > most, in current Yuga he has lesser role as Kali Yuga
represents
> a
> > world without scrouples, values, ethics.
> > >
> > > if we see how children taking parents to court or worse
> > murdering parents/siblings for wealth/inheritance.
> > > the way amdinistrators instead of proteticing public welfare
r
> > doing opposite.
> > >
> > > IF GURU's benefic aspects has changed them a bit it is a
> > blessing but as our puranas show Guru represents Deva Guru and
> > Sukra represents asura's GURU, by which we mean a conflict
> between
> > materialistic and humane values (avoiding spiritual here as it
> will
> > open and pandora's box)
> > >
> > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house he is in
or
> > is a malefic etc.
> > >
> > > Guru's aspect in society where values r there is important
> makes
> > u remain in the right side of the law/society but in current
> times
> > TESTS one to his limits to stay on moral course.
> > >
> > > CAN U AVOID giving bribes even if u refuse to take it?
> > > will anyone avoid using a recomondation letter anywhere be
it
> a
> > job, electricty dept or water board, corporation, IT etc or
> > darshan at a temple?
> > > in some form there is breach of values.
> > >
> > > GURU TESTS u and u may more often falter.
> > >
> > > SO HOW DO U EXPECT GURU's benefic aspect to count on such
> > people? u must rather expect Sukra, sani or rahu's aspect to
count.
> > >
> > > BHAGAVAN KE GHAR PAR DHER HAI, ANDHER NEHIN is what Guru
does.
> > but others allow u to stoop.a dher is avoidable or purchasable.
> > >
> > > If the trend of fast breaking up of marriages, families is
on.
> > it is due to Guru's aspect mostly please take a fresh look at
> this,
> > as the calling of restraint or saner voice from within is
> discarded
> > and Ego, emotional weightlessness, lack of tolerance and
> > consequences of them breaking up and children from such broken
> > familes make a terrible society, inspite of all their
> achievements
> > u can c many celebrities suffer from broken family
relationships
> > values, it is Guru's aspect that was wasted.
> > >
> > > GURU CAN'T BE THE CAUSE THE LACK of discretion, TOLERANCE,
> > MUTUAL RESPECT TO ONE ANOTHER IS the casue. these r the
qualities
> > Guru is given and bestows there r two way traffic, u remanin
> moral,
> > rightious, lawful it is a benefic. for law breakers itis a
> malefic
> > if they wish to call it one.
> > >
> > > Prashant
> > > 1-4-06
> > >
> > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear prashant
> > ji
> > >
> > > the oldest samhitas written by bhrigu, ravan, garga and even
> > older scriptures viz. garudapuran and other puranas reckon rahu
> and
> > ketu having only planetary status and are not assigned any
rashi,
> > uchha or neecha or mooltrikon and also no yoga or conjunction
> > results formed with these two demons enjoying planetary
status.
> it
> > is only modern researches who tried to put these rank malefics
as
> > karmic planets and felicitated them with the titles
of "vairagya
> > karaka" and "moksha karaka". just because someone said so,
other
> > astrologers also started attributing these dispositions.
> > >
> > > in the name of freedom of expression and research, several
> > astrologers are finding jupiter malefic these days and long
> threads
> > of jupiter giving malefic results were found in several
groups.
> > > some say that jupiter spoils the house where he sits. in my
> > personal understanding of the holy scriptures, jupiter is the
> guru
> > of devatas and is the best benefic in the entire solar system.
> any
> > > dosha of any planet is mitigated or reduced just with the
> > conjunction or aspect of jupiter. jupiter is the karaka of
more
> > than half of the houses. if a jupiter is weak or debilitated
or
> > placed in a dusthana, i only tell the native that jupiter is
not
> > able to help him because of this and that but never paint
jupiter
> > as a malefic. that is the respect we were taught to show
towards
> > jupiter or guru.
> > > in olden days, even though astrology was taught in gurukul
> style
> > and learnt by brahmins practicing gayatri chantings and other
> > mantra recitals on a daily basis, the predictions were more
based
> > on divine intuition and less on bookish knowledge. with so
many
> > contradictory rules written by various astrologers, only divine
> > intuition gives the correct predictions. for example for
timing
> of
> > events, according to the classics, if a native is born in the
> > shuklapaksa, ashtottari dasa is reckoned and if a native is born
> in
> > the
> > > krishnapaksha, vimshottari dasa is reckoned. even in these
> two
> > systems also dasa periods, sequence and number of planets are
all
> > different. there are many more dasha sysems and predictions
> based
> > on them give entirely differnt picture. these days most
> > astrologers are using only vimshottari system.
> > >
> > > with all these contradictions and confusions, only the
divine
> > energy or intuition or clairvoyance of an astrologer can give
> > correct predictions. if one tries to predict based on
astrology
> as
> > a science it just does not work. astrology software in a
> computer
> > is not a vending machine which can give predictions of a native
> just
> > by pressing a button.
> > >
> > > i agree with your observatin of "Rama" as the most
> respectable
> > word. mere utterance of "ram" is in itself a mantra and
benefits
> > the native. this is the way people like you and me look at lord
> > > ram. similar is the respect we have for jupiter or guru, be
> it
> > planet guru or human guru. if someone in the name of research
> > criticises lord ram and jupiter, may god bless him.
> > >
> > > having said all the above, i respect freedom of expression
of
> > each member and each has the right to agree or disagree with my
> > observations.
> > >
> > > with best wishes and regards
> > > pandit arjun
> > >
> > > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Prashant Kumar G B
> > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Arjun.
> > > >
> > > > Well this is good picture, pl provide the texts u
quoted
> > can help people who want to know more direct just like the neo-
> > researches going into madness on Jupiter the trend of dubbing
> > Jupiter malefic is from TN, where lopsided translation of
> sanskirt
> > works have been happening say amavasya is
> > > the most auspicious day u need not look at anything else.
> > > >
> > > > there is no NO KNOWN CLASSSIC TOsupport this max can be
> in
> > MEsha, Vrischika lagnas as it is a Yoga karaka combination,
and
> > happens during day time in Vishaka, Sravana masas in day time.
> > > >
> > > > I HAD ALSO SUBMITTED A mail on dusthana, on a different
> > plan to past no reaction on it ias come in past 6 weeks.
> > > > some of the traditional lines need to be redrawn as the
> > values then were contentment, help others in need, earn a name
> > than money, no debts if u can'tmake assets, no upmanship but
> > humility etc today it is opposite so need to redefine them
> 3,6,8,
> > 10,11 houses to suit it please see my postign on this.
> > > >
> > > > BUT QUOTING RAMA'S CHART is outrageous as he lived ina
> time
> > of great values, standards. a well placed guru tests ur inner
> > strength before giving u good results where as malefics just
> lure
> > one into
> > > it, once u slip it is oneway street rarely u recover out it
> > its vice grip unless if a materialsitic rahu dasa is followed
by
> > a well
> > > placed, associated Guru dasa to follow.
> > > >
> > > > RAMA'S GURU IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN MUST LIVE
> IN
> > WORST OF SITUATIONS, never compromised on any value, set v high
> > standards in family, as a king, as a husband.
> > > >
> > > > Prashant
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear
friend
> JL
> > > >
> > > > your understanding is correct. both as per hindu
> mythology
> > and as per present day science, rahu and ketu do not exist.
> > > >
> > > > according to hindu mythology, the demon swarbhanu got a
> boon
> > from brahma to get "planet status" and not a real planet.
when
> > nectar was distributed to gods, this swarbhanu also had some
> > nectar to
> > > which sun and moon complained. based on the complaint of
> sun
> > and moon, this swarbhanu was cut into two by vishnu. later a
> > snake was cut into two and the body of the snake was attached
to
> > the head of swarbhanu and the body of swarbhanu was attached to
> the
> > head of the snake. these two half-demon half-snake creatures
> > remained
> > > immortal and are called rahu and ketu and given "planetary
> > status" and
> > > they are not planets. with this backdrop we hear stories
of
> > rahu
> > > swallowing sun and ketu swallowing moon during eclipses.
> > > >
> > > > according to science, a solar eclipse occurs on a new
moon
> > day
> > > (amavasya) when the moon comes in between the sun and the
> earth
> > > where light of sun is partially or fully blocked by moon
from
> > > reaching the earth. a lunar eclipse occurs on a full moon
> day
> > > (poornima) when earth comes in betwen sun and moon and
light
> of
> > sun
> > > is partialy or fully blocked by earth from reaching moon.
> > > >
> > > > according to the original scriptures viz. samhitas
> written
> > by the sages, rahu and ketu do not own any signs and also does
> not
> > > have any aspect, exaltation, debilitation and
mooltrikon.
> > rahu and ketu also do not form any yogas and hence results of
> any
> > conjunction with other planets was also not mentioned in these
> > > scriptures. however, results of rahu or ketu in each
sign
> > or house was given since stars were allocated to them because
of
> > their planetary status. so they also have the mahadasa and
> > antardasa results due to their getting
> > > > the planetary status.
> > > >
> > > > according to all original scriptures, rahu and ketu are
> > rank malefics. only some modern researches using positive
> > language
> > > attributed "vairagyakaraka" to rahu and "mokshakaraka" to
> ketu
> > which gained popularity. these researchers also presented
> saturn
> > > as planet of patience and were painting saturn, rahu and
ketu
> > as benefics or karmic planets in their own languages.
recently
> i
> > was
> > > > shocked when some researchers were painting jupiter as
a
> > rank malefic and how jupiter spoils his own house and they
chose
> > to cite
> > > lord rama's chart saying jupiter as the culprit. if this
> > trend continues in the name of research, all malefics would
> become
> > benefics and all benefics would become malefics.
> > > >
> > > > the above are my own observations and it is your logic
to
> > accept or reject.
> > > >
> > > > with best wishes and regards
> > > > pandit arjun
> > > >
> > > > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Jyotish Learner
> > > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Nalini Ji,
> > > > >
> > > > > Simple he is spiritual.
> > > > > I am not learned scholar like you so I may not be
able
> > to
> > > give
> > > > you proper reason plz forgive me.
> > > > > Since he is headless he doesnt aspect.
> > > > > In Kaliyug Rahu and Ketu are not considered as
planets.
> > > > > Yes these are "Chaya Grahas".
> > > > >
> > > > > Some consider Rahu as benefic and Ketu as malefic
they
> > > behave as
> > > > their sign lords.
> > > > > Plz Learned Guru Jis forgive me if I am wrong as
well
> as
> > > Nalini
> > > > Ji.
> > > > >
> > > > > Happy Learning till then
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > J.L
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote:
> > > > > Dear JL,
> > > > > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called
> > mokshakaraka.
> > > being
> > > > > karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said
because
> > rahu
> > > and
> > > > > ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi-
the
> > > rays.Then
> > > > > are these two not considered planets at all? Please
> > explain.
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > Nalini
> > > > > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Jyotish
Learner
> > > > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is
headless
> he
> > > doesnt
> > > > > have any aspect.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > regards,
> > > > > > j.l
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > shriji002 <shriji002@> wrote:
> > > > > > respected astrologers
> > > > > >
> > > > > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say
> > rahu
> > > aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu
> > aspects.
> > > > > > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it.
> > > > > > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it.
> > > > > > which view is correct.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till
when
> > will
> > > the effect last.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > regards
> > > > > > shri
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Prashant
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