dear krishnan ji

nice noting your exhaustive observation on the changed world
scenario and the new world order. one positive change i observed is
the increased belief in god by people from all religions and most
people visiting holy places and consulting astrologers and healers
similar to doctors and doing more meditation than they used to, so
much so that all corporates in servcies sector these days are
sending their employees to meditation exercises and spiritual
workshops.

the modern man or woman is aware of the conflicting predictions from
various systems of astrology and are only interested in results
whichever system it be. a roadside parrot cardreader or a tarrot
card reader in an airconditioned room, both are predicting even the
cricket matches and stock markets on tv screens and in public gaze,
both catering to the top and bottom segments of the suffering
natives. a leading sports channel beams tarrot card predictions on
every cricket match. in my clairvoyance i see that even financial
channels start astro predictions very soon on scrips and commodities
price movements. moneycontrol.com has as many groups on stock tips
as yahoo has on astro tips. as on date there are thousands of
astrologers who are advising tips on stock market and scrip
movements outnumbering the highly qualified technical analysts and
chartists. when best hospitals sometimes fail to cure diseases,
healers are performing miracles. i too performed several healing
acts taking the diseases and evils from the natives. the modern man
or woman's expectation from astrology is not mere prediction but a
remedy to get what the native want. this is precisely what you and
i are doing in this group for the past few years.

lalkitab has some wonderful remedies with which a malefic planet can
be converted into a benefic which i have been prescribing for
sometime. a suffering native is least concerned whether his guru is
bad or rahu is good. doctors do various kinds of diagnosis reports
and astrolgors do 100 divisional charts for their own
understanding. the native just wants a solution. this is where
this jyotish remedies group is specialised in.

with best wishes and regards
arjun

--- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, vattem krishnan
<bursar_99@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
> From Rahu-Ketu to Guru is a traverse certainly through
Phaladeepika but not of the wiseman shri Mantreswarji.
> ultimately it comes to that all the evils in today's society is
due to one of the "guru"s .Be it Deva Guru or Asura Guru.Incase if
we have to have continuity we must find changed world as different
from the past.what actually sounds as these "changes"that are gloomy
and in bad taste only get highlighted and all other good things
(there are many that have been occuring on day to day to day basis)
which we may not like to be mentioned.
> In today'ssituation, the order of the world is Humanbeing is the
best judge of himself and no one likes to be convinced.This approach
and attitude underscores the need of "guru" and the advent of rahu's
superioroty(rahu centric) has led to many electronic gadgets
including e-poojas and e-sevas.Today we hate black boards.Also the
taught has better a vision than the teacher.No class room nor a
gurukul is felt necessary.I strongly believe these are all (better)
things for which every one of us owe to one shadow palnet and we may
safely link this as rahu.
> Even the smallest of the smallest village would like to boast to
have a temple of Shri Saibaba,or Lord Ayyappa if not the Grama
Devatas.This is just not limited to only one kind of theology as
equal number of masjids,chappels and gurudwars ahve found palce
giving room to secular minds.let's also account for this kind of
worships to another node of moon,say ketu.These may be nobel things
to have found place in today's world.So the preacher,purohit,pandit
and in whatever term we may put as kahaji etc are to be given the
credit to ketu.Most of the regular forms of worships and poojas to
have undergone changes and now women 'ritviks' have also room in
today's society
> The apprehension about "guru'where his aspects makes things
better and where he takes shelter gets spoiled is to interpret to
make something else as good and the other thing as body.
> In today's order one has been forced to materialistic mind.A
child teacher is not mother or father as they have no time for
themselves.So mother can not brest feed a child and father has no
time to have cuddle his tiny tot.This way if we keep anlysing we may
be looking from more negative perspects and feel bad in terms of the
crime and atrocities.certainly from dwaparyuga to kaliyuga every
thing has changed as we have every where 'mother diaries',krishi
bazars and bird flues.Somehow this perspective of world order of
home delivery looks to be a boon and may enhance regard to asuraguru.
> From seers to siddhanties and now to few clicks too is a big
change.what is good and what is bad can also be made available as
there are willing persons to serve for each and every cause.This
applies to services for which this may not be a proper forum to even
say.may be a bright feature and ceratinly the greatness of these
developments also goes into the kitties of one of the gurus.
> Today bringing dollars home has great recognition.Elite
Institutions looks for earning in dollors.These great Institutions
feel proud of their product from the day one even if the students
feels emberassment in cruel ragging events.This product has better
awareness of many thing like cracking any password and make himself
accessible to any kind of treasury.it depends how early and how fast
one is able to master many things needed for a happy and comfortable
living.This living lies in temperature controlled cars and rooms and
in turn controlled by human logic.It is really difficult to infer
that some afflicted houses contribute to these elite ways.
> Yet there are issues that remind the need of Guru and the good
and bad houses known only through jyotishand made available to
present world through ceaseless human efforts.Perhaps the occassions
that elad one to take to these recourses is at times disappointments
due to one or other reasons.or other way if one wants to succeed and
make things in his afvour is to attempt to control what is beyond
him and uncontrollable.
> All blessings one seeks is only for personal agrandisement and
do not wish to have any obligation for the good he is able
recieve.In any case every where for every action we have boards
displayed around as THANX to feel satified.
> S o it is litterally also true"BHAGAVAN KE GHAR PAR DHER HAI,
ANDHER NEHIN krishnan
> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@...> wrote:
> dear prashant ji
>
> am very happy to find that you have put the "guru" in right
> perspective in the changed world where people started believing
that
> guru spoils his own house. i still have thoughts of old school
> where guru (both planet guru and human guru) is kept in the same
> highest esteem as in the previous yugas.
>
> on the other hand, malefics are painted positively. for example,
in
> olden days, people used to think that crossing seas is a sin as if
a
> person is not capable of earning bread in his own country and
> migrating to another country as a refugee. later on educated
people
> started selling their knowledge to countries other than their
> motherland in the positive garb of "brain drain" and feeling happy
> that their brains are more rewarded and respected in other
countries
> than in their motherland. still there are many professors in IITs
> and IIMs serving their motherland with their noble teaching
> profession even while watching most of their students going abroad
> for earning few dollars more. astrologically when few houses are
> afflicted and well known mlechha planet rahu's influence is there,
> the native goes abroad for earning his bread. i have already
> written the combinations that make a native go abroad for earning
> earlier in this group and hence not repeating. however, the
> presentation of language is positive as the modern astrologers
say,
> if so and so planet is in so and so house (they dont term these
> planets as malefics) and if rahu is placed in this house or that
> house, then the native pursue a career abroad and settles abroad.
> you can see the positive language in various papers including
> KNRao's edited book "Planets and Travel Abroad" written by
M.S.Mehta.
>
> any way, as krishnan ji rightly concluded in his previous mail,
all
> observations of luminaries are true based on facts and supported
by
> classics and only the language or perception is different.
>
> with best wishes and regards
> pandit arjun
> --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Prashant Kumar G B
> <gbp_kumar@> wrote:
> >
> > Hio Arjun,
> >
> > and ALL others who set the chain rolling on rahu, ketu,
> research etc
> >
> > GURU in all Yogas had a supreme role and in the 1st 3 Yugas
THE
> most, in current Yuga he has lesser role as Kali Yuga represents
a
> world without scrouples, values, ethics.
> >
> > if we see how children taking parents to court or worse
> murdering parents/siblings for wealth/inheritance.
> > the way amdinistrators instead of proteticing public welfare r
> doing opposite.
> >
> > IF GURU's benefic aspects has changed them a bit it is a
> blessing but as our puranas show Guru represents Deva Guru and
> Sukra represents asura's GURU, by which we mean a conflict
between
> materialistic and humane values (avoiding spiritual here as it
will
> open and pandora's box)
> >
> > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house he is in or
> is a malefic etc.
> >
> > Guru's aspect in society where values r there is important
makes
> u remain in the right side of the law/society but in current
times
> TESTS one to his limits to stay on moral course.
> >
> > CAN U AVOID giving bribes even if u refuse to take it?
> > will anyone avoid using a recomondation letter anywhere be it
a
> job, electricty dept or water board, corporation, IT etc or
> darshan at a temple?
> > in some form there is breach of values.
> >
> > GURU TESTS u and u may more often falter.
> >
> > SO HOW DO U EXPECT GURU's benefic aspect to count on such
> people? u must rather expect Sukra, sani or rahu's aspect to count.
> >
> > BHAGAVAN KE GHAR PAR DHER HAI, ANDHER NEHIN is what Guru does.
> but others allow u to stoop.a dher is avoidable or purchasable.
> >
> > If the trend of fast breaking up of marriages, families is on.
> it is due to Guru's aspect mostly please take a fresh look at
this,
> as the calling of restraint or saner voice from within is
discarded
> and Ego, emotional weightlessness, lack of tolerance and
> consequences of them breaking up and children from such broken
> familes make a terrible society, inspite of all their
achievements
> u can c many celebrities suffer from broken family relationships
> values, it is Guru's aspect that was wasted.
> >
> > GURU CAN'T BE THE CAUSE THE LACK of discretion, TOLERANCE,
> MUTUAL RESPECT TO ONE ANOTHER IS the casue. these r the qualities
> Guru is given and bestows there r two way traffic, u remanin
moral,
> rightious, lawful it is a benefic. for law breakers itis a
malefic
> if they wish to call it one.
> >
> > Prashant
> > 1-4-06
> >
> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear prashant
> ji
> >
> > the oldest samhitas written by bhrigu, ravan, garga and even
> older scriptures viz. garudapuran and other puranas reckon rahu
and
> ketu having only planetary status and are not assigned any rashi,
> uchha or neecha or mooltrikon and also no yoga or conjunction
> results formed with these two demons enjoying planetary status.
it
> is only modern researches who tried to put these rank malefics as
> karmic planets and felicitated them with the titles of "vairagya
> karaka" and "moksha karaka". just because someone said so, other
> astrologers also started attributing these dispositions.
> >
> > in the name of freedom of expression and research, several
> astrologers are finding jupiter malefic these days and long
threads
> of jupiter giving malefic results were found in several groups.
> > some say that jupiter spoils the house where he sits. in my
> personal understanding of the holy scriptures, jupiter is the
guru
> of devatas and is the best benefic in the entire solar system.
any
> > dosha of any planet is mitigated or reduced just with the
> conjunction or aspect of jupiter. jupiter is the karaka of more
> than half of the houses. if a jupiter is weak or debilitated or
> placed in a dusthana, i only tell the native that jupiter is not
> able to help him because of this and that but never paint jupiter
> as a malefic. that is the respect we were taught to show towards
> jupiter or guru.
> > in olden days, even though astrology was taught in gurukul
style
> and learnt by brahmins practicing gayatri chantings and other
> mantra recitals on a daily basis, the predictions were more based
> on divine intuition and less on bookish knowledge. with so many
> contradictory rules written by various astrologers, only divine
> intuition gives the correct predictions. for example for timing
of
> events, according to the classics, if a native is born in the
> shuklapaksa, ashtottari dasa is reckoned and if a native is born
in
> the
> > krishnapaksha, vimshottari dasa is reckoned. even in these
two
> systems also dasa periods, sequence and number of planets are all
> different. there are many more dasha sysems and predictions
based
> on them give entirely differnt picture. these days most
> astrologers are using only vimshottari system.
> >
> > with all these contradictions and confusions, only the divine
> energy or intuition or clairvoyance of an astrologer can give
> correct predictions. if one tries to predict based on astrology
as
> a science it just does not work. astrology software in a
computer
> is not a vending machine which can give predictions of a native
just
> by pressing a button.
> >
> > i agree with your observatin of "Rama" as the most
respectable
> word. mere utterance of "ram" is in itself a mantra and benefits
> the native. this is the way people like you and me look at lord
> > ram. similar is the respect we have for jupiter or guru, be
it
> planet guru or human guru. if someone in the name of research
> criticises lord ram and jupiter, may god bless him.
> >
> > having said all the above, i respect freedom of expression of
> each member and each has the right to agree or disagree with my
> observations.
> >
> > with best wishes and regards
> > pandit arjun
> >
> > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Prashant Kumar G B
> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Arjun.
> > >
> > > Well this is good picture, pl provide the texts u quoted
> can help people who want to know more direct just like the neo-
> researches going into madness on Jupiter the trend of dubbing
> Jupiter malefic is from TN, where lopsided translation of
sanskirt
> works have been happening say amavasya is
> > the most auspicious day u need not look at anything else.
> > >
> > > there is no NO KNOWN CLASSSIC TOsupport this max can be
in
> MEsha, Vrischika lagnas as it is a Yoga karaka combination, and
> happens during day time in Vishaka, Sravana masas in day time.
> > >
> > > I HAD ALSO SUBMITTED A mail on dusthana, on a different
> plan to past no reaction on it ias come in past 6 weeks.
> > > some of the traditional lines need to be redrawn as the
> values then were contentment, help others in need, earn a name
> than money, no debts if u can'tmake assets, no upmanship but
> humility etc today it is opposite so need to redefine them
3,6,8,
> 10,11 houses to suit it please see my postign on this.
> > >
> > > BUT QUOTING RAMA'S CHART is outrageous as he lived ina
time
> of great values, standards. a well placed guru tests ur inner
> strength before giving u good results where as malefics just
lure
> one into
> > it, once u slip it is oneway street rarely u recover out it
> its vice grip unless if a materialsitic rahu dasa is followed by
> a well
> > placed, associated Guru dasa to follow.
> > >
> > > RAMA'S GURU IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW A MAN MUST LIVE
IN
> WORST OF SITUATIONS, never compromised on any value, set v high
> standards in family, as a king, as a husband.
> > >
> > > Prashant
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear friend
JL
> > >
> > > your understanding is correct. both as per hindu
mythology
> and as per present day science, rahu and ketu do not exist.
> > >
> > > according to hindu mythology, the demon swarbhanu got a
boon
> from brahma to get "planet status" and not a real planet. when
> nectar was distributed to gods, this swarbhanu also had some
> nectar to
> > which sun and moon complained. based on the complaint of
sun
> and moon, this swarbhanu was cut into two by vishnu. later a
> snake was cut into two and the body of the snake was attached to
> the head of swarbhanu and the body of swarbhanu was attached to
the
> head of the snake. these two half-demon half-snake creatures
> remained
> > immortal and are called rahu and ketu and given "planetary
> status" and
> > they are not planets. with this backdrop we hear stories of
> rahu
> > swallowing sun and ketu swallowing moon during eclipses.
> > >
> > > according to science, a solar eclipse occurs on a new moon
> day
> > (amavasya) when the moon comes in between the sun and the
earth
> > where light of sun is partially or fully blocked by moon from
> > reaching the earth. a lunar eclipse occurs on a full moon
day
> > (poornima) when earth comes in betwen sun and moon and light
of
> sun
> > is partialy or fully blocked by earth from reaching moon.
> > >
> > > according to the original scriptures viz. samhitas
written
> by the sages, rahu and ketu do not own any signs and also does
not
> > have any aspect, exaltation, debilitation and mooltrikon.
> rahu and ketu also do not form any yogas and hence results of
any
> conjunction with other planets was also not mentioned in these
> > scriptures. however, results of rahu or ketu in each sign
> or house was given since stars were allocated to them because of
> their planetary status. so they also have the mahadasa and
> antardasa results due to their getting
> > > the planetary status.
> > >
> > > according to all original scriptures, rahu and ketu are
> rank malefics. only some modern researches using positive
> language
> > attributed "vairagyakaraka" to rahu and "mokshakaraka" to
ketu
> which gained popularity. these researchers also presented
saturn
> > as planet of patience and were painting saturn, rahu and ketu
> as benefics or karmic planets in their own languages. recently
i
> was
> > > shocked when some researchers were painting jupiter as a
> rank malefic and how jupiter spoils his own house and they chose
> to cite
> > lord rama's chart saying jupiter as the culprit. if this
> trend continues in the name of research, all malefics would
become
> benefics and all benefics would become malefics.
> > >
> > > the above are my own observations and it is your logic to
> accept or reject.
> > >
> > > with best wishes and regards
> > > pandit arjun
> > >
> > > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Jyotish Learner
> > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Nalini Ji,
> > > >
> > > > Simple he is spiritual.
> > > > I am not learned scholar like you so I may not be able
> to
> > give
> > > you proper reason plz forgive me.
> > > > Since he is headless he doesnt aspect.
> > > > In Kaliyug Rahu and Ketu are not considered as planets.
> > > > Yes these are "Chaya Grahas".
> > > >
> > > > Some consider Rahu as benefic and Ketu as malefic they
> > behave as
> > > their sign lords.
> > > > Plz Learned Guru Jis forgive me if I am wrong as well
as
> > Nalini
> > > Ji.
> > > >
> > > > Happy Learning till then
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > J.L
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > auromirra19 <nalini2818@> wrote:
> > > > Dear JL,
> > > > If ketu does not aspect, then why is he called
> mokshakaraka.
> > being
> > > > karaka why does he not have drishti? it is said because
> rahu
> > and
> > > > ketu are chaya grahas, those who do not have rasmi- the
> > rays.Then
> > > > are these two not considered planets at all? Please
> explain.
> > > > Regards
> > > > Nalini
> > > > --- In Jyotish_Remedies (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com, Jyotish Learner
> > > > <vedicastro_mind@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > how can ketu aspects its totally wrong he is headless
he
> > doesnt
> > > > have any aspect.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > regards,
> > > > > j.l
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > shriji002 <shriji002@> wrote:
> > > > > respected astrologers
> > > > >
> > > > > please tell what are aspects of rahu,ketu.some say
> rahu
> > aspects 5,9,7,12 houses. and ketu aspects houses that rahu
> aspects.
> > > > > ie. 3,6,11.houses from it.
> > > > > some say ketu aspects 5,7,9,12 houses from it.
> > > > > which view is correct.
> > > > >
> > > > > also what impact will solar eclipse have,and till when
> will
> > the effect last.
> > > > >
> > > > > regards
> > > > > shri
> > > >
> > >
> > > Prashant
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