--- In advaitin (AT) egroups (DOT) com, colette@b... wrote:

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> Isn't Atman, the Brahman EVERYTHING.
> The call & the caller & the one called.
> Absolute Is the relative.
>
> IMO
>
> Colette

Yes. But the Absolute *is* the relative *as* the Absolute,
and not in relation to the relative. A caller and a being
called require this relation, which from the regard of the
Absolute doesn't exist.

However, within the realm of the relative there are relations,
and the Atman is realized by the jiva from within the relative.
This is why we refer to Atman as such and not as the Absolute,
which it actually is.

To take it back to the original context, the Absolute doesn't
makes calls. One might imagine that It does, but that is
personalizing the Absolute, which then makes It God. There
is nothing wrong at all with this approach, but it's not Advaita.

Often though, calls are "heard." I don't mean to deny the reality
of these calls, just to point out other possible sources for them.

--jody.