Originally Posted by Beggar

Its the way that Sarva gattah describes all this that is clumsy and therefore apasiddhantic. But he is really trying to describe a very deep truth; he just doesn't properly harmonize the logical contradictions. The mistake that those on the opposite end of the spectrum (on this is issue) sometimes make is to polarize the issue to the extreme, which I believe that I once was guilty of.
In one Western Math I am familiar with, they never talk about, "forgeting Krsna" or "how our material existence" IS a dream and are quick to point out that we were never with Krsna. They also are trying to describe a very deep truth in a clumsy way, but although it appears they are in harmony with siddhanta they neglect a signficant area of the transcedental ontology, unlike their gurus who for some reason they can no longer properly hear. One side is falling off the razors edge to the right and the other side is falling off to the left (and I am not refering to left-wing gopis, here). We are all falling off the razors edge of pure devotional service without any tinge of selfish desires. So this really needs to be the focus. How can we move towards this goal, that was really Srila Prabhupada's focus and the focus of all bonafide acaryas. But in our present dream-like state, we find such a topic to be boring. I know that I do. Who wants to really admit all the dirty, unwanted things in our polluted hearts. And maybe that's why we really don't have much interest in Krsna's and Mahaprabhu's lilas.