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08-28-2008, 01:05 PM
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Its ture that dispassion arises from death but I believe that it is not the only thing that causes a person to draw within.
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the idea was that to see death upon the face of another allows each to observe dispassion<o:p></o:p>
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that the human form upon physical death has no selfish desires, loss or gain in choices to make; they are no longer on the take. <o:p></o:p>
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To observe the death of another, offers a mind a chance to open their eyes to what life is, rather than what we have culturally been taught to believe. Most all of mankind has a moment of awakening when recognizing death of another. Many begin to self reflect.
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All the pain and suffering which makes ones life a living hell changes that person to that extent that he would be indifferent even towards his body.<?xml:namespace prefix = u1 /><u1:p></u1:p>
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That hell is self prescribed. Many do not wake up with needs and desires upon the mind. Words upon the mind and prescribed responsibilities often create them attachments. Hence why in some teachings they suggest; ‘remove the entanglements.’ To remove them responsibilities often sheds the desires of needs. <o:p></o:p>
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one has to live life whether one understand it or not.
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agreed as instinct takes over; survival within an environment<o:p></o:p>
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understanding life doesn’t erase mental and physical suffering.
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if you knew your life after death is real, rather than believed or of hope, then where is the suffering with realizing nothing is yours to begin with? Meaning all them desires, needs and wants are self prescribed when without cloths, food, or water, you can still live in what you do.<o:p></o:p>
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one who wants to get away from the pain of this world take up the path of discrimination and dispassion.<u1:p></u1:p>
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but then we are back to understanding life.<o:p></o:p>
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Meaning; to simply sit and do nothing like a monk in the mountain caves; is selfish in a sense as that knowledge may die with the teacher as well what life is continued, created or living beyond the choice? Doing nothing brings little gain or loss; a safe bet but perhaps also a loss to the common. Just imagine how many great teachers never had a child to nurture and teach all that they learned or never wrote down with words to share what was realized <o:p></o:p>
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One living with thought of being nothing and being selfless....is a path laid for the him, by his experiences. So I don’t think dispassion/viragya is a choice but it’s a state of mind that one gets into with certain experiences.
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Which is easy; remove the self as the priority and follow the rules;<o:p></o:p>
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Good: supports life<o:p></o:p>
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Bad: loss to the common<o:p></o:p>
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It’s not death that worries me but life.<u1:p></u1:p>
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hence the wisdom; <o:p></o:p>
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‘do little if not understanding’<o:p></o:p>
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but then another; ‘if the bowl is dirty, wash it’<o:p></o:p>
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Such that if you have the thought, ‘to cross the river’ perhaps observe why you wish too.<o:p></o:p>
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It is for the good of life to continue, or for a selfish desire?<o:p></o:p>
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<u1:p></u1:p>you said"With ‘understanding’ be most passionate about life. (the new)<U1 ></U1>…….” ???<u1:p></u1:p>
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to know that to take your shirt off for your brothers warmth will save his life; then as you shiver; your choice was of passion You chose to support life over the self!<o:p></o:p>
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Lets say a person close to one like life partner…. is brutally murdered in mass shootings for example…should he think that these things happen and be passionate about life?<u1:p></u1:p>
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Did you do it (kill the partner)…. ? Then what choice is best; to learn from the experience or maintain a hate which can harm each moment thereof in pain and suffering.<o:p></o:p>
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Only by maintaining a possession (which is not yours) can you suffer any loss. i.e… in the stead of mourning a deceased, praise their life so they live longer but to hate a feeling of loss is self prescribed. They didn’t leave you but helped you become a nourished soul. They live in you and what Love you experienced. Love them back by planting a tree in memory of that Love; give back. As well perhaps teach a lesson to another that you learned from them; give again and contribute to their continued life.<o:p></o:p>
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Life is not simply making choices; that is ‘the experience’ not the life of their being.<o:p></o:p>
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See the difference? Choice is the experience; life is what was imposed to existence; whether good or bad. <o:p></o:p>
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There is nothing passionate about life. All I can see is pain and suffering!!
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Perhaps to understand Life purely then perhaps that suffering can be understood by even a child before their parents ever pass that period of choice. IN such that to Love each moment and never be in a mind of ‘unfinished business’ as if to not have taken for granted each moment and remember to give back that Love while both still have that choice.<o:p></o:p>
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My better half held the hands of both parents when they left and never cried but said ‘thank you,’ for giving. <o:p></o:p>
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Her Mother was a born again Christian and a few months before leaving, spent almost 3 weeks in our home and to see the change in her as the lady played with our dogs and laughed more than most elderly you would ever see; She learned the truth of life from the words learned and shared and from that point forth began to understand what her life is and what the ever after is; she began to live with truth and know bliss for the last months of her life. It was the most beautiful change this I had ever seen from a single person beginning to understand. <o:p></o:p>
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All based in Understanding Life removing the ideas and guise of religious beliefs and grounding the truth to comprehension of what ‘life’ is. She became aware!<o:p></o:p>
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Kind of strange me talking about life, and use a deceased person within the example.<o:p></o:p>
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Perhaps Gloria lives within all of us now! Another ‘thank you’ for the Love that still lives
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