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Vigraha · 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by gauragopala dasa

You remind me of the debate others were having on another thread and Beggar bagging the dream –avadis, as he called them. Eventually though he began to realize the difference between the ‘eternal present’ in Goloka, that has no past or future and the material creation, that has no ‘present’, only past and future. Many have realized that if Goloka is an eternal imperishable place, then we are there right now and always have been there, we just have to realize and stop 'dreaming' we are in the material creation.

Srila Prabhupada – “Forgetting Krsna, the living entity has been attracted by the external feature from time immemorial. Therefore the illusory energy [Maya] gives him all kinds of misery in his material existence.” CC. Madhya 20.117.
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Srila Prabhupada – “By the grace of Krishna, we have complete freedom. Because the Lord is kind to us, we can live anywhere, either in the spiritual sky or in the material sky, upon whichever planet we desire". Caitanya-caritamrita, Adi Lila 5.22, Purport

Srila Prabhupada – “However, misuse of this freedom causes one to fall down into the material world and suffer the threefold miseries of conditioned life". Caitanya-caritamrita, Adi Lila 5.22, Purport

Srila Prabhupada – “The living of a miserable life in the material world by dint of the soul’s choice is nicely illustrated by Milton in Paradise Lost. Similarly, by choice, the soul can regain paradise and return home, back to Godhead.” Caitanya-caritamrita, Adi Lila 5.22, Purport
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Srila Prabhupada - “Only the purified soul can attain the perfection of associating with the Personality of Godhead in complete bliss and satisfaction in his constitutional state. Whoever is able to renovate such devotional perfection is never again attracted by this material world, and he never returns.” Srimad Bhagavatam 2.2.31
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Srila Prabhupada: - “Our separation from Krishna is like that. We dream this body and so many relationships with other things. First the attachment comes to enjoy sense gratification. Even with Krishna desire for sense gratification is there.

Srila Prabhupada: - “There is a dormant attitude for forgetting Krishna and creating an atmosphere for enjoying independently. Just like at the edge of the beach, sometimes the water covers, sometimes there is dry sand, coming and going.

Srila Prabhupada: - “Our position is like that, sometimes covered, sometimes free, just like at the edge of the tide. As soon as we forget, immediately the illusion is there. Just like as soon as we sleep, dream is there”.
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Srila Prabhupada: - “We cannot say therefore that we are not with Krishna. As soon as we try to become Lord, immediately we are covered by Maya".
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Srila Prabhupada: - “Formerly we were with Krishna in His Lila or sport. But this covering of Maya may be of very, very, very, very long duration; therefore, many creations are coming and going". Letter to Madhuvisa 1972
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Srila Prabhupada: - “Due to this long period of time, it is sometimes said that we are ever conditioned. (Nitya-baddha) But his long duration of time becomes very insignificant when one actually comes to Krishna consciousness (reviving ones nitya-siddha memory)”.Letter to Aniruddha, dated November 14, 1968
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Srila Prabhupada: - “Just like in a dream, we are thinking very long time, but as soon as we awaken, we look at our watch and see it has been a moment only. Just like with Krishna’s friends, they were kept asleep for one year by Brahma, but when they woke up and Krishna returned before them, they considered that only a moment had passed”. Letter to Aniruddha, dated November 14, 1968
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Srila Prabhupada: - “So this dreaming condition is called non-liberated life (nitya baddha), and this is just like a dream. Although in this material calculation it is a long, long period, as soon as we come to Krishna consciousness, (realize our nitya siddha eternal body) then this period is considered as a second". Letter to Aniruddha, dated November 14, 1968

Srila Prabhupada: - “For example, Jaya and Vijaya. They had their Lila with Krishna, but they had to come down for their little mistake. They were given mukti, merging into the Brahma-sayujya (Impersonal Brahmajoyti) after being killed three times as demons. This Brahma-sayujya mukti is non-permanent”. Letter to Aniruddha, dated November 14, 1968
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Srila Prabhupada – “…We are eternally conditioned (nitya-baddha), but as soon as we surrender to Krishna do we then become eternally liberated? (nitya-siddha)…” You are not eternally conditioned (nitya-baddha). You are eternally liberated (nitya-siddha) but since we have become conditioned (nitya-baddha) on account of our desire to enjoy materialistic way of life, from time immemorial, therefore it ONLY appears that we are eternally conditioned (nitya-baddha)’ Letter to Aniruddha, dated November 14, 1968,
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Srila Prabhupada – "This is maha-bhagavata nitya-siddha. And sadhana-siddha means those who are put into this material world, by the association of maha-bhagavata, if he tries, follows, then he can also become maha-bhagavata or nitya-siddha, because originally EVERYONE is nitya-siddha.
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nitya-siddha krishna-bhakti ‘sadhya’ kabhu naya
zravanadi-zuddha-citte karaye udaya
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Srila Prabhupada – "Every living entity originally nitya-siddha, but somehow or other, just like Jaya-Vijaya, fell down in this material world, and he was delivered also, both of them were delivered".

Srila Prabhupada – "So although you have fallen in this material world, and suffering the pangs of material existence, janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi [Bg. 13.9], on account of accepting this material body, still, Krishna personally comes, yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati bharata [Bg. 4.7]. This is glanih, discrepancies. We are living this material existence, this is not real life. Real life is to become maha-bhagavata”. <o:p></o:p>
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Srila Prabhupada: “Each and every living entity is originally attached to a particular type of transcendental service, because he is eternally the servitor of the Lord”. - Srimad Bhagavatam 3.9.11, purport

<o:p>Srila Prabhupada – “"Because he falls down from Brahma-sayujya (impersonal liberated condition in the Brahmajyoti), he thinks that may be his origin, but he does not remember that long, long, long, long ago before that even, he was with Krishna". Letter to Australian devotees 1972 under Madhudvisa Swami

Srila Prabhupada – “Anyone, even in this world or spiritual world, he has got the propensity of coming down from Vaikuntha by misusing his little independence. .., that if you become president, you are secure”. (Lecture, Atlanta, March 2, 1975)</o:p>