What nonsense. No one new the essence Srila Bhatisiddhanta's Gaudiya mission than Srila Prabhupada which is proved by his achievements.
We would not be having this discusion if it was not for Srila Prabhupada. You would not know a thing about Krsna if it was not for Srila Prabhupada
The proper understanding of how we have ALL come down from Krsnaloka actually comes from Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Thakur -
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It is the jivas who are the attendants in His Sports. They become attached to matter having deviated from their own essential nature as the result of their desire for enjoyment.
Sri Caitanya's Teachings, p. 323.Srimad Bhagavatam 6.2.43
Srila Bhaktisiddhanta – “When he (the marginal living entity) forgets his service of Krsna he is at once deflected by the attracting power of Maya in this world.”
Purport to text 44 of Brahma Samhita
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Srila Bhaktisiddhanta - “This material world is created by the dreaming of Mahā-Viṣṇu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation”. 4.29.83.http://vedabase.net/sb/4/29/83/en</o:p>
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Srila Prabhupada – “The human form of life offers one a chance to get out of this entanglement simply by re-establishing the lost relationship between the living entity and the Supreme Lord”.
Sri Isopanisad 13 Purport
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We have fallen from Krsnaloka due to the CHOICE to do our own thing, and simultaneously forget Krishna and our own 'svarupa' body in the process.
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First, there is choice, then that choice puts us 'in' Maya and we completely forget who we really are (An eternal nitya-siddha devotee of Krsna).
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It is straight forward understanding, we are all originally from Krsnaloka and came to the material world in our false ego mundane dream state (baddha-jiva) some millions of years ago.
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When Prabhupada CLEARLY says 'you and me and EVERY other marginal living entity' are already there in the spiritual sky, he clarifies that by saying 'relationships with Krsna’ in Krsnaloka, meaning our svarupa body is eternally there, but our memory of who we are is presently covered by our own selfish plans and mistaken desires.
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Srila Prabhupada – “Established means re-establish (revive, regain, remember, re-establish).
It is already established. We have got different types of relationship. That is called svarupa-siddhi. Svarupa-siddhi. (Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture, December 7, 1974, Bombay)
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Srila Prabhupada - "You are already in the spiritual sky, but you are simply covered. Just like the sun is already there. You are also already there…
Srila Prabhupada - "So actually we are always in the spiritual world. But when you forget Krishna by the cloud of illusion, then that is material. Try to understand”. In a Srimad-Bhagavatam lecture given in London, on July 30, 1971
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Srila Prabhupada -"It is the living entity’s constitutional position to be an eternal servant of Krsna because he is the marginal energy of Krsna and a manifestation simultaneously one with and different from the Lord, like a molecular particle of sunshine or fire. (Anology only) Krsna has three varieties of energy" Sri Caitanya Caritamrta Madhya 20.108-109
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It is important to correctly understand how we all originally came down from Vaikuntha, by clearly understanding the following of the marginal living entity (jiva-tatastha) and their 'eternal' nitya-siddha body as well as the baddha jiva's sub-conscious state is activated and enters the material creation.
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The three energies of Lord Krishna are -
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Superior - Krishna and His unlimited expansions. Within the immensity of Krishna’s perpetual abodes is also where the marginal living entity (jiva-tattva) in their perpetual svarupa form reside serving Krishna or a Vishnu expansion.
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It is important to understand that even though they are associating with the superior energies of Krishna, they are never one with the Krishna's superior energy like all of the Vishnu-tattva expansions are.
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The realm of the superior energy also incorporates the individual independently thinking jiva-tattva as well because they are of the nature of Superior energy in as much as they are also eternal living entities, however, they always remain independently marginal living entities or jiva tatastha.
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The word tatastha IS the marginal living entity, WE are all tatastha-jiva, meaning every jiva–tattva (jiva-tatastha) can be on ‘this side’ (remembering their eternal nitya-siddha always situated in the ‘eternal present’ of Goloka) or ‘that side’ (nitya-baddha consciousness that enters the material creation or mahat tattva) due to free will and choice.
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This means the choice ALWAYS exists to serve Krishna as OUR real perpetual bodily identity in Krsnaloka, or chase our mistaken desires of grandeur IN THE maha-tattva (material creation).
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The concept and perception of tatastha therefore, is certainly NOT a place, region, zone, sector, expanse, but rather describes the jiva-tattva’s nature and ability to choose between two regions.
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Tatastha-s’akti also means the constituency nature of all marginal living entities that collectively are eternally able to choose their own existence.
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This clearly means tatastha describes the living entities capability of being, either in the ‘eternal present’ of Krsnaloka that is without the mundane time expanse of past or future. Or in the world of
imagination within the past and future of mahat-tattva (MATERIAL WORLD) that has no 'present'
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Marginal - Srila Bhaktisiddhanta - “The position of the jiva IS a part of the tatastha-sakti that can enjoy, cease to enjoy,
and go back to his original position”.
Sri Caitanya’s Teachings, p. 101
The living entities or jiva-tatastha's (of whom their full potential is nitya-siddha in Goloka whose bodies are always present their due to no past or future) are perpetually independent and eternally have free will to remember who they really are or dream their existence within the material creation.
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This means they have the choice to be with Krishna as who they really are (nitya-siddha) or manifest their own imaginary world as nitya-baddha in the mahat-tattva. Having choice (jiva-tatastha) is what it really means to be in-between the Superior andinferior potencies of Lord Krsna. One chooses either Krishna's perpetual devotional creation OR Maha-Vishnu's temporary DREAM creation.
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Inferior- The mahat-tattva or lifeless material energies, that include the ethereal and biological vessels or costume bodies the baddha-jiva wears.
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Srila Prabhupada CLEARLY rejects the idea we spring to consciousness from a so-called dormant Brahmajyoti in-between the Krsnaloka and the mahat-tattva.
He says long, long, long, long before that we were with Krsna
Prabhupada says in many pkaces that originally, which means eternally in this context, "We are all originally Krsna Conscious devotionally active living entities in Radha and Krsna's perpetual pastimes in Krsnaloka".
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Frankly, I am not interested in devotees who preach the nonsense impersonal Brahmajyoti viewpoint, simply because such views deny the true facts that we ORIGINALLY come down to the material world from the pastimes of Radha and Krsna in KRSNALOKA.
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His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada founder of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON) is the most recent Maha Bhagavat of the Gaudiya Vaishnava parampara (disciplic succession).
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Therefore Srila Prabhupada, as he is effectually known, is the bonafide representative of all those previous Acharyas whose understanding and teachings, found in his books, letters, classes and morning walks, are of the highest order and accepted as the final conclusion of sadhu, shastra and Guru authorized that represents the understanding of ALL previous Acharyas.
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Srila Prabhupada’s conclusions on all points of siddhanta are non-different from the disciplic succession. In other words, if anyone can definitively tell us what the conclusion of the previous Acaryas was, it is His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada.
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In fact he was the
only disciple of his Spiritual Master who successfully understood the ‘universal’ preaching mood of his Spiritual Master, clearly explaining we are not Indian, American, Australian, European, Russian, Chinese, African, Jew, Christian, Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist but are spirit soul beyond all those bodily designations.
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If one cannot understand the chain of disciplic succession that enables us to appreciate all the Vedas that the Gaudiya Vaishnava tradition is based on, beginning with Krishna,
then it is pointless for any arguing on this subject matter. The best one can do is get them to eat Krishna prasadam or food offered to Krishna and simply chant Hare Krishna.
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