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Originally Posted by Kulapavana
It is completely clear that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta defines tatastha sakti differently than all of the above posts suggest:
"Before acquiring material designations, the living entity is supremely
pure. Even though he is not engaged in serving the Supreme Lord, he remains situated in the neutral position of santa-rasa due to his marginal nature. Though the living entity born from the marginal potency does not at that time exhibit a taste for serving the Lord due to a lack of knowledge of self realization, his direct propensity of serving the Supreme Lord nevertheless remains within him in a dormant state.
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And before that?
There are so many things that Vedic sastra has told us that seems contradictory, whereas in reality, in Goloka Vrndavana dhama (Krsnaloka), due to the 'eternal presents' of no past or future, these things will be seen in another way as also explained by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p>
Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Prabhupada - “
It is the jivas who are the attendants in His Sports. They become attached to matter,
having deviated from their own essential nature as the result of their desire for enjoyment. But when again the soul . . . gains true wisdom of the transcendental region of God . . . he begins to get back his pure essential nature”
Sri Caitanya's Teachings, p. 323.Srimad Bhagavatam 6.2.43
Srila Prabhupada - “Upon seeing the Visnudutas, Ajamila gave up his material body at Hardwar on the bank of the Ganges. He regained his original spiritual body, which was a body appropriate for an associate of the Lord”.
Srimad Bhagavatam 6.2.43
The reason why all marginal living beings have an eternal bodily form is because they were ‘created’ within a dominion known as the ‘eternal present’ where every living entity in that realm are originally (without a beginning point) created as eternal persons with full bodily features. <o:p></o:p>
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This is the living entities ‘svarupa’ body that eternally and originally exists within that ‘eternal present’ of Goloka-Vrndavana as ever fresh, eternally in the stage of being new and original, an originality that is permanently, without beginning or end, secure in that realm of origin. <o:p></o:p>
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Even though our svarupa body, IS our original position, there is no beginning or end to that ‘original position’ because it is situated within the ‘eternal present’<o:p></o:p>
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This means technically they, like Krishna, were never actually created. This is because their real identities or eternal bodies, are all within the ‘eternal present’ of time and space, devoid of past and future within Gods eternal Kingdom known as Goloka Vrndavana or Krsnaloka right now. <o:p></o:p>
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Within that unending Spritual World of Vaikuntha, all living entities are perpetually existing in a perpetual state of ORIGINALITY, which means they are always present there in ‘the eternal present’ without the concept of past and future as their bodily (vigraha) svarupa (devotional personality) form, whom are the eternal servants of the Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Krishna.<o:p></o:p>
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Therefore, ALL living entities were created as sat, chit, ananda in the form of eternal vigraha in the beginning (which paradoxically was beginningless). <o:p></o:p>
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In this way, the original residence of all living entities (marginal beings) is their innovative home Goloka-Vrndavana or Krsnaloka, which is the imperishable Kingdom of God.<o:p></o:p>
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Actually there is no birth of the jivas. We are all eternal, like Krishna Himself. Many things in the shastra is meant to convince the baddha-jivas conditioned in the material world, that their real home is Krsnaloka.
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There are so many things that Vedic sastra has told us that seems contradictory, whereas in reality, in Goloka Vrndavana dhama (Krsnaloka), due to the 'eternal presents', of no past or future, these things will be seen in another way. <o:p></o:p>
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And what is that other way we will see thing that many say is inconceivable to understand?
The simple answer is, on that level or ‘seeing things in an other way’, is seeing that the material creation, of trillion upon trillions of years and life times, will appear no-more than a moment of dreaming in the material world once one ‘awakens’ and becomes aware of Krsnaloka and their service to Krsna.
Srila Prabhupada - “Formerly we were with Krsna in His Lila” Letter from Srila Prabhupada in 1972 to Madhudvisa and devotee in Australia
As long as we all have selfish material desires to exploit the material world, this subject will always remain a mystery