But now many of them (the first and second wave of ISKCON gurus) are no longer young, being in their late 50s and early 60s. Some like like K-Swami and SDG are 70 or close. But the well was poisoned, so to speak when they began taking disciples at an immature stage. Even if he is somewhat sincere an ISKCON Western, "rock star" guru appears to the public like a glorified used car salesman. To make matters worse this "rock star" style is now an ingrained tradition, just calling gurus, rtvik gurus and not regular gurus might help a little but not that much.